I have known two outcast men who slept with nanny goats, and a 15 old country girl who allowed her Alsation dog to mount her according to her friends.

They all sought companionship with these animals, should their relationship be discriminated against. This is similar to allowing anal sex between men.

//I have known two outcast men who slept with nanny goats, and a 15 old country girl who allowed her Alsation dog to mount her according to her friends.//

You've got some weird mates, Josephus.

//This is similar to allowing anal sex between men.//

Bestiality is similar to allowing anal sex between consenting men*? Not in the eyes of the law or society, you weird sick bastard. Sex between men has been allowed for a long time and is socially accepted, bestiality is still illegal and generally the butt of jokes. If that saddens all you blokes with a secret desire to study 'animal husbandry' I'm sorry. Have you thought about moving to New Zealand?

* But not between consenting men and women. And there you find the crux of Josephus' argument.

Toni Lavis,
When one works to improve the likes of men living on the fringe of society to be called "you weird sick bastard", indicates the type of attitudes you have toward social workers. I think I'd rather have them as mates seeing them changed from their former life, than the likes of abusers.

//When one works to improve the likes of men living on the fringe of society to be called "you weird sick bastard", indicates the type of attitudes you have toward social workers.//

I like social workers. I don't like two-faced hypocrites who proclaim at one moment to have Christian compassion for all of God's children, and then turn around and selectively deny that compassion to some of God's children on the basis of their sexual orientation. Make up your mind, Josephus: or are we all built in God's image, and worthy of the same treatment and consideration under the law? Or are some more equal than others?

Toni Lavis,
You speak off the top of your head. I have had several gay friends and some who have lived together and some who have succoured to AIDS. Showing compassion is not an issue, which by the way you fail to demonstrate by your abuse.

Relationships are different to biological facts. You cannot accept one can have lifelong relationships and not call it marriage.

You indicate you are frustrated and loosing a logical argument and searching for words of abuse to attack the messenger not debate the facts.

I have a question, it seems to me that the freer standards that we see
these days has led to gays, no I don't like that word, queers will do,
have turned homosexuality into a fashion.
If that had not happened would as many of the current flock of queers
even had thought of being queer ?

I suspect that the numbers would not be anywhere near the numbers we see in demonstrations.
If they want to live like that then go away and call yourselves
something other than married, as that is what I am.

Anyway at one demo on tv I heard someone yell out UNCLEAN UNCLEAN !!

That I think sums it up nicely !