Dear Josephus,

Now you've lost me.

Sex and how we practice it - is a private matter to
say the least. And people practice it in different ways.
No everybody practices sex the same way - and your making
statements rooted (pardon the pun) in generalisations -
ignores the differences among individuals - be they
homosexual or heterosexual. They don't all share the same
supposed traits.

Once again you bring procreation into the question of
marriage. You are simply giving your own personal belief -
and that's fine but for many people - homosexual and heterosexual
marriage does not necessarily equate with having children.
You tend to be thinking in terms of general categories.
However what you need to do is check against reality - which
you will find contradicts the rigid image that you are
presenting.

//the fact they are deliberately pumping fertile sperm into someone else' excreta is degrading to the reality of the design role//

Such colourful and florid prose, when the term 'anal sex' would suffice just as well. One might almost be inclined to think that you had some sort of fascination with the subject, Josephus.

There's a good chance they're just pumping fertile sperm into a condom anyway. Presumably you think this is somehow fulfilling 'the reality of their design role' when the condom is worn during heterosexual but not homosexual intercourse. I've yet to hear of babies being born from condoms either, but you seem to work from unique biology textbook which I suspect could only actually be found in the Unseen University Library.

You're also always very careful to stress that it is only homosexual acts which are at odds with sexual reproduction. Presumably you think it is fulfilling 'the reality of their design role' when males are pumping fertile sperm into female excreta or cava oris. Or just spilling it on the ground like our old friend Onan. You do know that the female alimentary canal is not linked to the ovaries don't you? What is the title of your weird biology textbook and who wrote it?

I know I've raised this last question before but you didn't really give me a straight answer and I doubt you will this time: exactly who designed us? Xenu? The Flying Spaghetti Monster? Greys? Allah?

Homosexuality is not a denial at all. It would be a denial if somebody with predominantly homosexual tendencies were to marry someone of the opposite sex. This has happened in the past due to family pressure or to hide homosexuality. Now they can be honest about their sexual tendencies and not be penalised by prison or other punishment for their natural leanings. I still don't know why it bothers you that a group of people who had to hide their nature are now free to express it. Why are you trying to put your feelings on them? Why are you so bothered by it? Your concern about homosexuals seems unnatural and excessive to me.

David,
You ask,"Why are you so bothered by it? Your concern about homosexuals seems unnatural and excessive to me.'

What is unnatural is the destruction tears and hurt caused by children I see of my friends.

1. Young man youngest of a family of three boys, dux of the school in yr12 passionately pursued by young woman in his class, at 20 severed relationship with the family to live with homosexual peers. It destroyed his mother she died of a heart attack at 56.

2. Close friends of our family adopted a baby, nurtured educated and supported him into his early 20's again moves 300 kilometres away, mixes with homosexual and lesbian peers at 39 contracts AIDS and hepatitis. His late 70's parents move to live and nurse him in the last six months of his life, died at 42. They are broken hearted and childless and all their hopes of being grandparents dashed to the grave.

I could tell you of other friends children turned to a homosexual life buried in their 40's. I have seen the pain of these families, left childless, and without offspring.

3. Recently the eldest daughter now 18 of three sibling brothers, from a highly respected family in the community decided to leave home and live with her lesbian girlfriend from school, now with pierced nose and tongue and tats. She being the only daughter has destroyed her relationship with her mother who expected company from her in these adult growing years; has left her mother devastated

Tell me what is natural, and I'll tell you who is left in heartache and tears. That is why I am passionate because I see and know the reality.

Dear Josephus,

Thank you for your answer. It shows that you are a caring person. You wrote that you are passionate because you see and know the reality.

You wrote: “I could tell you of other friends children turned to a homosexual life buried in their 40's. I have seen the pain of these families, left childless, and without offspring.”

That tells me we don’t agree on what is reality. I don’t think people are turned on to a homosexual life any more than people are turned on to a heterosexual life. I think some people are predominantly homosexual. They don’t get turned on to that life. They are attracted sexually more to the people of the same sex than they are attracted to people of the opposite sex.

I had a cousin who I exchanged letters with. He stopped writing, and I accepted that he was not interested in keeping up the correspondence. A couple of years later his mother called me from California to tell me he was dead. He was a young man, and I asked what he had died from. His father got on the phone and told me he suffered horribly before he died. Apparently he died of AIDs contracted through homosexual contacts. Before he died his uncle, a very religious man, would not let him in his uncle’s house and would have nothing to do with. His father and mother reacted differently.

After my cousin’s death I visited his parents. Their garage was full of bags of food for AIDS sufferers too weak to shop or do much. The food items are easy to prepare so the recipients don't have to do much to them. It is heart rending as they become friendly with those they visit and then feel the loss when they die. His mother also volunteers as a counselor for an agency that arranges accommodations for older people. She gave as examples a man who is very athletic and runs several miles but cannot find his way home afterwards and another man with an alert mind who is handicapped physically.

continued

continued

She knows about the different places in the LA area and can direct them to the best for their needs. She also volunteers help to children with learning difficulties. Some of them are children with adequate intellectual capacity but without an adult who pays any attention to them. Her brother, the uncle who would have nothing to do with the AIDs sufferer looks down on his sister and brother-in-law because they are not as religiously observant as he is.

The uncle is religiously observant but lacks compassion.

We agree that the homosexual life style can be horrible. A big reason that it is horrible is that their family and others may reject their offspring and make them feel like outcasts. Don’t blame a homosexual for being homosexual. Accept it.

In case 1 you mentioned a mother who died of a heart attack after her son lived with other homosexuals. If she could have brought herself to accept that her son was a homosexual and he was happier living with his peers she might have made friends with those peers and continued her life.

Case 2 sounds a bit like my cousin. Sexually transmitted diseases whether contracted through homosexual or heterosexual contacts are bad and I think it more reasonable to promote safe sex regardless of the type of contact. As far as wishing for more descendents whether or not your descendents choose to produce young should be up to them. In an overcrowded world it isn’t a bad thing not to produce young.

In case 3 you wrote the girl destroyed her relationship with her mother. In that case the mother might have shared the fault for not accepting her daughter’s proclivities.

All three cases demonstrate a lack of acceptance of the parents for the nature of their offspring.

If one accepts that most if not all homosexuals are naturally that way one can try to make their lifestyle better than it is.

One way to make homosexual lifestyles better is to discourage their unhealthy promiscuity. Same sex marriage can do that.