Shorten is short on ideas. That is not as bad as having the ideas of Tony Abbott. Since Abbott refuses to deny or confirm that he is paying off people smugglers it is reasonable to assume that is what he is doing. The problem is that Tony Abbott has proven to be so incompetent that no other Lib wants to take his place and live with the fallout from his policies.

Yuyutsu,

They're some pretty broad generalisations there. Most of the gays I know are very interested in this topic and none of them seem to care at all about religion. There's only one I can think of doesn't care about either issue.

I'm reluctant to reveal that because we all seem to know some mysterious gays that agree with our positions. Just like all my Liberal friends who only vote Labor.

David, you are forgetting the most important fact about the illegals, that being it is a labor stuff up, of monumental proportions that the libs are simply trying to fix and, as a tax payer myself, I woukd willingly pay the smugglers off rather than have to deal with the finical burden these freeloaders impose on us and the continual whining from the likes of that greens twit Hansen young.

In fact, my way of dealing with labors bombshell woukd be far more brutal so they can thank their lucky stars someone like myself is not in charge.

My grandfather didn't fight in two wars and nor did my own late father work his whole life to secure our futures just so these freeloaders, mostly Muslims at that can enjoy the spoils of what our forefathers fought for.

If anyone really cares about the freeloaders, may I suggest you channel your efforts towards encouraging and educating them that uncontrolled breeding of offspring, when there is no future for them is the catalyst of the issue.

Furthermore, a true refugee is not one who chooses where to find refuge, it's one who takes the first safe haven available. Crossing several countries to come here is not about finding refuge, it's about taking advantage of our limp dick approach towards protecting what our forefathers fought to provide.

Dear rehctub,

You wrote: "David, you are forgetting the most important fact about the illegals"

One way of arguing is to cite one's opinion as fact. That is what you have done. Another way of arguing is false labeling. The people who come on boats have done nothing illegal. If you want to argue with me please keep your comments factual and don't confuse your opinions with fact.

Yuyutsu, "Homosexuals, or 'queers' as you unjustly call them, don't want anything - they are not a side to this debate and are not to be blamed. It's unrelated others, i.e. the anti-religious brigade, who incidentally use them to further their own interests, pretending to represent homosexuals without even having asked for their permission"

You are onto something there. Certain political interests are using 'gay marriage' as one of their blunt weapons to belt society, not just government, as part of their campaign to disrupt the traditional values and institutions they see as the bulwarks of western culture and democracy. Their aim is to install by default the political system that they want - international socialism.

OnTheBeach,
Your efforts to tie the anti-religious brigade to international socialism is as pathetic as it is illogical.