otb,

As I've told you many times in the past -
Citing a country's history and the attitudes that
prevailed during a given point in time does not equate
with being "anti white Australia."

Just because you find that part of history unacceptable -
does not change the fact that it existed.

Did you wake up this morning and say, "I think I'm going
to be a jerk today?"

You need to respond to things in their context.

If you are capable of doing so, that is.

otb,

BTW: Labeling people you don't know is also
sad, and unwarranted. You need to clean up your own
act first before criticizing others of - not who they
are - but of who you think they are.

"Leftist, Elitist, Self-loathing, Progressives ..."
The list goes on.

Those stereotypes need to be dropped. You've over-used
them on this forum.
The same goes for "White" Australians. I know that
you loathe multiculturalism, and deny the stolen
generations, however, those unjustifiable prejudices
rightly belong in the past. Take off
your blinkers - learning should be creative and
without boundaries. You need to modify your judgements and
cherished notions about both yourself and the rest of the
world - especially this country in the 21st century.

Hi David,

6.5 hours per day, seven days a week, - perhaps 60 hours per week for women, twenty for men - for the barest minimum: perhaps you are right.

But is that an average ? Along some coasts and on rivers like the River Murray, the people (mainly the women) probably gathered enough food for the day in a couple of hours. With fishing lines and hooks post-contact, in SA at least, that time was probably halved. Meanwhile, people across the Western Desert would have spent most of the day (at least the women would have) gathering scanty grass-seed for grinding, and the odd small mammal and lizard.

I don't know if it's coincidence, but it does seem that in those harsher parts of Australia, Aboriginal societies tend/tended to be rigidly patriarchal and patrilineal - those areas tend to coincide with cattle (if anything at all) versus sheep country, by the way. Conversely, in lusher and more productive areas, societies tended to be bilineal, or at least more matrilineal.

Just as an aside, the mothers of the earlier 'stolen generation' (up to WW II) tended to come from patriarchal societies, cattle country, hard country, and those children, I'll bet, were put into care during droughts, when the cattle industry would have been devastated and labour put off, as it is now in Queensland. I might be talking through my @rse, but somebody could correct me :)

Joe

Dearest Foxy,

'Stolen Generation': it rolls off the tongue so easily, and whites are such b@stards, so why not ?

Evidence ? A single case, and even that (Bruce Trevorrow) was at least debatable. Any other proven cases ? No.

I've written about it many times, but the school records at the major SA mission, 1880 through to the 1960s, showed that out of 800 kids ever enrolled there, only about a dozen were of kids taken to the Mission, almost all in the early days: orphans, kids brought down from the North by stockmen and surveyors and bore-drillers, and abandoned in Adelaide; a couple of cases of single mothers bringing their kids (ant themselves) to the Mission, and soon marrying, with the kids adopted into the group there.

Ah, but you mean kids taken FROM the Mission in all that time ? Yes, about 47 kids, almost all in the late forties and fifties, after so many enterprising families had up and left the place to work in (at first) the rural areas, on infrastructure projects across the State, leaving behind the more 'casual' families, who now had no 'aunties' to send their kids down to for dinner, or to bot off. Lo and behold, the local police station was finally set up in 1953, ninety four years after the Mission was built, and when half the population had already gone.

Lo, THEN behold the 'stolen generation'. One kid died of starvation down that way in 1955, and actually some of those kids 'taken away' spent their time either in hospital or in the convalescent home at Tennyson. Those 'stolen' kids spent usually less than a year away from home before returning. There's only one girl that I can't track, the child of a single mother who died of TB in 1944.

[TBC]

[continued]

So no, I don't believe in a 'stolen generation'. Were kids put into care by single mothers when they were babies ? Of course, just like the children of white mothers. At least until single mothers' benefits came in, in (I think 1971, under McMahon).

Now that you mention it, Foxy, should some kids be put into care now, in 2015 ? Bloody oath, until their mothers straighten themselves out. If mothers chronically neglect and endanger their kids, then that should be it: immediate adoption out.

God, people are right, I AM a complete b@stard. Sorry.

Love,

Joe

Fox,

You are on the back foot and protesting too much.

I am merely one of many who have drawn your attention to your unrelenting attacks on Australia and 'white' Australians. You find and create any example to disrespect them. It is interesting that you would choose the comedic caricature exploited by Paul Hogan, who himself leads an entirely different lifestyle. However you would never choose Dame Nellie Melba, Sister Elizabeth Kenny or others.

Your bias is rendered stark by the different treatment you give anyone who does not fit the mold of the 'whites' you despise. There you comb the Net for any example no matter how irrelevant to the matter at hand to show the 'superiority' of non-white culture.

That is YOUR extreme multiculturalism, disputing there is anything worthwhile in Australian values and culture and forever spruiking the endless 'diversity-Australia-has-to-have' to blot out any vestiges of the 'whites' and 'white' inheritance that your leftist cultural elitism is so offended by.

That is one of the distinguishing features of self-loathing leftist elitism. It is in the tradition of the 'expert sources' you often quote and broken record when you do, among them being Phillip Adams and Pilger. Adams,
http://tinyurl.com/lsohu8m

Again, I have already posted evidence that dispel your sad, unwarranted and biased negative stereotyping of Australians, a good, generous, kind and accepting people you generalise and sledge as uncaring, insensitive and bovine. My earlier post refers,
onthebeach, Tuesday, 9 June 2015 3:10:21 PM
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