ConservativeHippie,

Although (some youth) may not like it, if they were forced to serve the community in some fashion, living away from home in a disciplined environment, (they may) gaining positive experience and useful skills.

Do you have evidence to prove this? Many so called "programs" over many years - both long and short term periods - have been brought in by governments and various bodies (who seem to think they know better than everyone else) and forced onto others - based on the principles, you see as vital.

These in my view include a basis of authoritarian and politically correct based elements - and many people today have not seen or recognise the damage - particularly those who have not had to deal with these "solutions".

One of these was having the national service introduced - and to think it is still in place, in some countries worldwide - is purely disgusting

Suse,

"We only need the well trained military personnel and law enforcement members to learn how to use guns, and not just any idiot"

Why would we want them to learn?
I would have thought that as they are "....well trained..." already that they would have learned how to use guns.

Okay Nathan you've turned around my thinking. I now believe we should stop expecting more from our youth. There's no need to help them get out of their ruts. Who am I to say good manners, self respect, a desire to contribute positively to society, and the self initiative to get a job even if it means starting at the bottom, are all desirable qualities.

I'm with you Nathan. Let's advocate for increasing the dole for school leavers, can the useless training programs, and while we are at it, legalise drugs and hand them out free.

Bazz, is that the official line for mass constipation about Harry, the gallant solider fighting off the Taliban in Afghanistan, all on his lonesome, or some such clap trap. I recall how good old Uncle Prince Andy was supposedly to have won the Falklands War, all on his own, single handed. It turned out to be a lie, again made up for mass constipation! Some may be naive enough to believe that feel good propaganda, but I don't swallow it for a minute.

Unseemly and very unfair and unnecessary slagging-off of a young man who is making the best of his opportunities (and the restrictions and limitations of Royalty).

Just like a Green though to be shabbily bad-mouthing and sledging anyone successful who is trying to do the right thing.

You'd think that there would be some applause for Harry Wales spending a fortnight with NORFORCE out of a very busy schedule (to take one example). I bet they were excited and thankful for the world-wide recognition that brought. He was on the ground and shared the same conditions. Above all, he was and is very respectful.

OTB,

We must make allowances for Paul, he's a Green and that puts him at a disadvantage for a start.
I bet he thinks that George VI and his wife fled London during the Blitz and that Prince Phillip spent the war years in some comfortable billet far from danger.