Suse, can you share three positive contributions the Muslim immigrants have made to Australian society. Personally I'm not aware of any and if it takes researching the internet to find something, it must not be that significant.

But given you know more about these things, it will be interesting to see what you have to offer.

I just Googled 'Muslim contributions to Australia'and came across this post by Foxy in June 2010 (http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=3716) which lists four contributions:

"Here are some contributions of Australian Muslims
that I've come across:

1) Socio-Economic contribution to the Halal
Meat Industry, contributing around $5.0 billion
to the Australian economy and employing around
30,000 people.

2) Success of Muslim players in sports,
such as the AFL in Victoria.

3) Active involvement of Muslim women in the
police force, such as Victoria.

4) Donations to various charities, such as
$50,000 by the Muslim Community to the
Leukaemia Foundation in Queensland.

Australian Muslims have made a significant
contribution to Australian society over
the past 150 years."

Really, that's it for the past 150 years? Come on Foxy, surely you cannot be honestly impressed with those examples.

Going by the above list I'm not convinced #'s 1, 2, and 3 are any more than being employed. #4 - $50,000 donated from 250,000 Muslims (at the time) isn't astonishing, is it? I wonder how that figure compared to Muslim donations to build local Mosques over the same period?

When I think 'significant contribution' I think of discovering a new medical break through; inventing something that benefits society; performing an act of extraordinary heroism or bravery; great novelists, scientists, mathematicians, astronomers, etc.

What contribution has anyone from the Muslim community produced that Australia would be worse off if it hadn't occurred?

Hasbeen,
Yeah, I know, Ludwig and me have been shouting it here for 10 or more years.

The main problem is that the major parties are in the pockets of big business and we all know that 'He who pays the piper calls the tune'

I did have hopes that the present mob would drop multiculturalism but that doesn't seem likely now.

Banjo,

Add to that the marginal seats where the ethnic tail swings the Party dog.

The problem is that way back from Whitlam's day, government has had the long-suffering Aussie taxpayer funding the ethnic lobbyists, lobbyists who also have a direct line to the ministers of the day.

That is precisely what went wrong in Rotherham and other centres in the UK, where the Labour Party in particular was swayed by multiculturalism and its 'Progressive' political correctness.

<Rotherham abuse scandal: Ed Miliband 'deeply sorry'

Ed Miliband said the Labour Party had to "learn the lessons" from Rotherham

Labour leader Ed Miliband has said his party "let people down in Rotherham" over the child sexual abuse scandal.
Speaking on the BBC's Sunday Politics programme in Yorkshire and Lincolnshire, Mr Miliband said he was "deeply sorry" for what had happened.
A report published in August on child sexual exploitation in the town found at least 1,400 children were abused in Rotherham from 1997-2013.
Labour were in charge of the council throughout the period.
The report by Professor Alexis Jay found children as young as 11 were raped by multiple perpetrators, abducted, trafficked to other cities in England, beaten and intimidated, mainly by men of Pakistani heritage.
Earlier this month, a report by Louise Casey, the director-general for troubled families, said the authority was still "in denial" about the child abuse scandal and was "not fit for purpose".>
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-31479039

The problem isn't immigration per se, although in both the UK and Australia the electorate are strongly against the huge numbers involved. The problems are poor screening especially where large numbers are being taken (practically all of the time), corruption and importing toxic political systems, values and traditions from certain known origins.

Talking about the influence of political correctness and ethnic lobbyists on ministers and political parties, precisely when will Australia's minister for immigration deliver that URGENT report and remedies for the known problems in immigration in Australia? What is preventing it (as if the public is unaware)?

Practices and cultures which are offensive or incompatible are one issue, such as many Islamic ideas about women, violence, animal slaughter, Sharia and so on.
Perhaps they could be absorbed over time or their minds changed through assimilation, but that would depend on a very low rate of immigration and deliberate policies to this end.
I'd like to open a can of worms and say that there are also innate genetic differences, particularly with Africans at the furthest extreme. Their testosterone levels are higher, which may be part of the reason why they are more prone to violence everywhere they are in the world. Their IQ's are also lower, this is usually censored but it is true and although there are all kinds of excuses trying to explain it away, the fact remains nowhere in the world no matter how much money was thrown at it was the gap ever bridged. No amount or kind of education or help that has ever been tried has been able to change this.

OTB,
If our net immigration is over 200,000 it is indeed a problem. We simply cannot absorb that many and provide jobs and housing/services for them all. Especially when we owe so much. Despite some who maintain that the amount we owe is not high, my life experience has been that loans have to be paid back on maturity and in the meantime interest has to be paid. Funny thing about money lenders, they seem to want their interest each quarter and the principle repaid at maturity.

Oh sure, it feels good to be generous and give away our land and our prosperity to those coming from foreign lands but I submit we are not any longer in a position to do so. What about the needs of our own citizens, for example how many are homeless and/or job less and require help. We have not come within a bulls roar of providing all the required infrastructure.

I think that we should be looking to importing only those that can be paying more than their way in a very short time.

By the way, it was Hawke PM that negotiated an agreement with the Libs that neither major party would debate immigration matters. That is why the issues are not debated, even at elections.

If you want to debate other immigration related matters such as cultural incompatablity by all means do so, but it is a different subject to immigration levels