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Posted by Foxy, Friday, 13 March 2015 12:49:14 PM
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Foxy, you are the one who has interpreted the crow call to be "Get Out" to the white man. That has nothing to do with Aboriginal mythology.
That's the part of your comment we didn't take lightly. It doesn't matter if you were joking, it wasn't well considered. Defend it all you want, I still maintain it wasn't one of your smartest posts. Posted by ConservativeHippie, Friday, 13 March 2015 3:56:01 PM
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Nothing changes the reality as outlined in the Lateline report - the West Australian government is considering closing up to 150 remote Aboriginal communities because they are costing too much to run.
http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2014/s4133138.htm No-one has been able to put forward any practical solutions that could maintain such small communites. The politically correct sledging of Abbott for the words he used is frivolous and mendacious, aimed at de-railing the informed public consultation the government is attempting to conduct. It is a very poor reflection on the indigenous leaders who are wasting their time and ours disrespecting the messenger, when it is apparent to the public that the health, safety and welfare young mothers and children living in those small communities are at risk. Imagine the problems of a difficult birth, or the plight of a child with an ear infection. Posted by onthebeach, Friday, 13 March 2015 5:16:08 PM
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Dear ConservativeHippie,
People tend to see the world from a viewpoint of subjectivity - an interpretation based on personal values, background, training, education, prior experiences, political affiliations, and so on. Everyone will be guilty of some measure of bias - the tendency, often unconscious, to interpret things according to one's own values. An Indigenous person would probably have appreciated my crow anecdote. And that applies to all Indigenous people who were conquered by colonisation. Where white settlers to secure their interests conquered the local people - eventually seizing control of their lands and forming the elite in the colonies. I totally get where you're coming from. Posted by Foxy, Friday, 13 March 2015 9:24:08 PM
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Another difficulty is that mixing or combining the wrong mob with another mob will lead to increases in violence.
As there can be thousand of years of animosity between particular groups. Posted by Wolly B, Saturday, 14 March 2015 5:40:20 PM
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When are people going to allow this indigenous stuff to run it's course. I mean, it's been more than 200 years for gods sake and the ones on benefits now are barely what could be described as the ones who where deposed back in the 1800's are they. Talk about ringing something's neck for all it's worth.
the simp,e fact is it is not a viable option to continue providing finical support for remote groups, some as small as six I believe. The time must come whereby they either stay out and provide for themselves, hunters and gatherers, or they relocate to larger communities where it's at least a bit more affordable to support them. This is a problem we have been throwing billions at for decades and the problem is still there. If we ban alcohol from their communities, they move into towns and drink themselves stupid once a fortnight then go home with no money left, often abandoning thei kids in the process. While racisim is a terrible thing, facts are facts ad, we are no longer in a financial position to simply turn a blind eye to this ongoing drain on the public purse. Something must be done and of cause most people, indigenous or not, who are on the public tit will get upset when required to get off it. Tax layers in general are fed up with our taxes being wasted, just like these two in Bali, costing us millions and being funded though cut backs elsewhere. Sorry, but enough is enough and it's time for people to face up to the facts and if you are one who doesn't like it, then dig in to your pocket and help by all means but stop supporting worthless causes Posted by rehctub, Saturday, 14 March 2015 6:35:13 PM
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Just to clarify things for you -
In Australian Aboriginal Mythology a crow is a
trickster, culture hero and ancestral being.
In the Kulin nation in central Victoria he was known
as Waa (also Wahn or Waang) and was regarded as one
of two moiety ancestors.
Legends relating to the Crow have been part of various
Aboriginal language groups and cultures across
Australia.
Perhaps it now may make sense to you.