the headlines screams : "Life jail terms for 'vicious' murder of David Liam Johnson in Swanbourne"

mind you... these are convicted murdurers most foul and vicious

and the murder was caught on security camera

so... no chance of miscarriage of justice

minimum of 24 and 14 years in jail for taking a life of an innocent man

somehow i cannot understand this twisted form of justice
has justice been given to the dead man's family?

i know many in this forum will continue to support jail sentence and rehabilitation for such cold blooded murdurers

i hope they will maintain their stand when their sons..husbands...daughters...wives are the victims

i for one do not think we are on the right path when we abolished the death penalty
we are not being civilised... we are just plain soft

let us bring back the death penalty

The problem with your solution of the death penalty is, as where it is used in America it has been proven with the passage of time a lot of innocent people were put to death.

Lately there have been numerous cases of forensic laboratories fixing and lying about evidence.

Also how many cases of police lying to get convictions have we had in the past, lots.

So my question to you is how many innocent people are you willing to accept being sentenced to death to satisfy your right to a satisfactory outcome to a verdict of guilty.

@philip

this is about the weakest argument against the death penalty

"let us allow hundreds to be murdered because we may..we might...we could put one poor innocent man to death"

you mean to tell me the murderers in the sydney cafe and paris shooting should be kept in jail for life (even when we know they are guilty without a shadow of doubt) ?

come come, give me a stronger argument like sanctity of life

let us look from the perspective of the victim's families
the poor wife
the poor mother
the poor children

what if you are one of them.... careful... often we have to take the medicine we prescribed for others to endure

no wonder we have shootings all over
lives lost because the punishment does not meet the gravity of the crime
we australians are so averse to punishment... is it really as the foreigners say, we are descendants of criminals and that is why we hate punishment so much?

Hi there PLATYPUS1900...

I agree with everything you've said concerning these killers. We here in Oz, are soft when it comes to punishment of our most serious offenders, compared to many other first world nations. Particularly when considering and 'weighing-up' the facts as disclosed in the NOKs 'VIS' ? The presiding judicial member tends to take more careful notice of any potential appellant's motion, that may 'blot' his judicial reputation.

And that's a sad state of affairs when you think of it ? Instead of boldly applying an appropriate sentence that's completely consistent with the seriousness of that crime. In my humble view, if it were up to me, I'd no longer give a 'head' sentence eg, 10 years, with a 5 years NPP., and with normal remission, he serves a minimum of 3 years, 6 months ? 3 1/2 years gaol, with 10 years on top ? Patently absurd in my view. Give him an unalterable 10 with a 'head sentence' of 15 years, otherwise it makes a complete mockery of incarceration per se ?

And for the record PLATYPUS1900, I totally oppose Capital Punishment for many reasons, more then I could possible enumerate I should think ?

**Where are you, A.J. PHILIPPS when your 'criminology' expertise is needed please ?**

o sung wu,

I’m not sure if you’re being snide by asking where I am, when I’m “needed”. If you’re not, then I apologise for being so suspicious.

When I read the two comments here from Platyus1900 after everything we’d discussed on that other thread recently, all I could do was let out a groaning sigh. Though there is far more I could add to what I said in that other discussion, I’m not sure I feel like having this discussion again just yet. But I was tempted to leave Platypus1900 a link to it, so here it is anyway …

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=17092&page=0

@osw and philips

hmmm... many reasons not to have capital punishment?
i only have one reason to support it and that is all that matters... sanctity of life

just see the number of shootings and murders that happens in our country and ... i rest my case

thks