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Is Israel so wrong in its actions?!

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T800, you fail to show /offer any proof that God said the land of Palestine belongs to Jews, the whole idea of God claiming the Jews are special would make any anyone turn into a atheist, the sooner this scam is ironed out the better relations will be between Jews and Arabs,
Posted by athair_siochain, Saturday, 23 September 2006 1:46:17 PM
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Athair...
You overlooked, or are ignorant of a number of small, but pertinent points:

The Arabs also claim a special relationship with God.

And as for God given lands- there are some among the Arabs who would like to make the Arabian Peninsula a Muslim only zone (as it was during their "golden age").

And re the relationship between Jews & Arabs, it might help things if some sections of the Arab media & ulama stopped describing Jews as monkeys & pigs.
Posted by Horus, Saturday, 23 September 2006 2:11:39 PM
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AS... Since when has God opened a global realty and been the provider of national real estates?

Hell many people deny God even exists... I suggest you provide them with an address so they can visit and get proof.

Wakey, wakey AS.

Men control who owns what. Men control nations.
Men created the Palestine Mandate.
Men created Jordan and Israel.
Posted by T800, Saturday, 23 September 2006 2:22:14 PM
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Too right, T800.

Israel is a settler state, created using the rubric of European colonialism and to solve the primarily European problem of antisemitism. The worst of Arab/Muslim antisemitism dates from after Israel's founding. Competing claims of what is God’s/Yahweh’s/Allah’s will in the distribution of Middle Eastern real estate are nothing more than nationalist myth making.

Israel is not alone as a modern state having colonial or settler origins. Others include: every country of North and South America, Africa, large slabs of Asia, other parts of the Middle East, and New Zealand. Have I forgotten any? Hmm.

Israel is not going to go away, any more than any other settler state of the world. Peace will not come to that part of the world until this reality is recognized, however reluctantly by some. A good start would be to leave deities out of it, and recognize the human historical facts, including the injustice done to the Palestinian people who were displaced, as well as the right of Israelis to live in peace and security.
Posted by Snout, Saturday, 23 September 2006 5:39:00 PM
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Yes, of course Israel is wrong...and that's putting it mildly. Do the Geneva Conventions mean anything to you? Do you even care that war crimes- YET AGAIN- were violated by this state? Do yuo ever go to the websites of Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, The Red Cross and even read the lectures of Nelson Mandela? They all condemn Israel's actions.
Have you any idea of the cruelty of- and illegality- of the cluster bombs Israel left in the last few days?
Lord, how can you even ask? Forget the race, religion and colour of the protaganists. The invaders and occupiers are beneath contempt. They need to stop hiding behind the "poor us" propaganda.
Posted by sunisle, Saturday, 23 September 2006 6:47:59 PM
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T800, You forgot to say the God being worshiped is a God created by human beings, during the week I picked this prayer out of a speach, tell me what kind of a man would use this prayer to high light his thoughts,

"From the beginning of time, humanity has longed for the day when justice, peace. equality and compassion envelopes this world, all of us can contribute to the establishment of such a world, when that day comes the ultimate promise of all divine religions will be fulfilled with the emergence of a perfect human being who is heir to all the prophets and Pious men, he will lead the world to absolute peace.
Omighty God, I pray to you to hasten the emergence of your last repository, the promised one, that perfect and pure human being the one that will fill this world with justice and peace, O Lord include all of us among his companions, followers and those who serve his cause,
Posted by athair_siochain, Saturday, 23 September 2006 7:15:54 PM
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