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Let me add also my own personal experience. TV talk show are a German national sport (much more popular than what I remember from Australia 15 years ago), and the Muslim question is often discussed. Also, a pensioner like me has the time to follow as many of them as possible.

The participants include Muslims (mostly of Turkish descent) male or female (with or without the hijab). Most of them (not all, there are also imams who really stick out as a sore non-European thumb) are second or third generation Germans often with university degrees speaking accent-free German. Especially the ladies impress me with the way they can defend their religion and its place in modern (meaning post-Christian) Germany. I remember one of them: After being criticised for their religion’s treatment of women said something like, “you are right, but instead of supporting us to improve the situation you want to take away the only thing we have left to give us strength and hope. Of course, nobody dared to raise the question of converting to Christianity where she could find the same solace.

Naturally, there are also streets in Cologne where it mis difficult to get along with German only (years ago I got lost in Bankstown in Sydney and it took me a while to find an Asian who spoke English), and these educated-in-Germany Muslims probably do not live here (there are about three Turkish families living in the six story house I live in).

Of course, there are problems with Muslims in Germany (the vast majority of whom have a Turkish background) but these are nothing compared to what the French have with their “banlieue” Muslims. This, by the way, is also the reason why Jews seem to feel safer in Germany than in France and lately also in Britain.

Allegedly, there are villages in Bavaria, where both Catholics and Muslims coexist in peace, living in separate areas, respecting each others’ religion, no provocations. I cannot verify whether this is actually so, or just some wishful thinking.

George,

In your first paragraph, you are ambiguous and rather obfuscating. Are you talking about the over emotional reaction of Secularists or Muslims? Or me? Methinks, me. Nothing to be anxious (emotional) about, right? Well, I’m a female and your not, so Islam will affect me more than you.

The Guantanamo story is not your personal experience with Islam it is only the media’s. I don’t why you have used it. You have been had, in sympathizing with a terrorist suspect. You want to try and understand his personal experience? His experience is having been brainwashed and has a completely different mentality to the Judeo-Christian Westerners, and all other Non Muslims.

Der Spiegel, like all of the mainstream media will continue to use one off “I’ve been hard done by” stories persisting in their subterfuge over the general public. The media is so out of touch with normal people, it’s not funny. Unfortunately, there will always be a few unjust casualties in missions to eradicate terrorists. But then there is always collateral damage in war. But we’ll probably never know with this guy anyway. Are you aware of Taquiyya (Muslim lying code for infidels)? There must be valid reasons for even Obama to have retained the Guantanamo facility, don’t you think? Before he was elected he did say he was going to close it.

How about the hundreds of honour killings occurring in the UK? Why are these atrocities never in mainstream media. Do you have any sympathy for these Muslimas? The child sex slavery racket run by Muslim men occurring in Northern England were dodged for years because of the chronic PC syndrome.

“After weeks of torture, Slahi decided to give his torturers what they wanted: He began talking, implicating people he didn't know and delivering one false statement after the other. He was rewarded for it as well. Even today, Slahi is a privileged prisoner at Guantanamo, with a television and computer, and he's even allowed to grow his own herb garden.

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Oh, goody, more fear porn.

I hope everyone remembered to get popcorn on the way in?

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.. During the summer of 2005, he completed a 460-page Guantanamo Diary that he had written by hand. From the beginning, his hope was to someday publish it. He waited a decade. But on Tuesday, his writings are being published in book form around the world for the first time.” He didn’t die, did he – and look what he’s getting now.” Sounds like a happy chappy.

Yes, it’s tough, George, but when it is such a serious issue, and you’re trying to break a terrorist, the things they have to do. Why do the perpetraters receive more respect than the actual victims? While dead bodies are barely rested, the media jumps in showing more concern for Islamphobia than the victims.

“as a Christian I am closer to Muslims in WHAT I believe”. Are you sure about that? Do you know anything about Islam? It’s like comparing Christians to extreme fascists. Again, it is not a religion. Yeh, some people BELIEVE and worship the devil. Tell me what do you think of Mohammad? Do you think he was a nice bloke? One minute you imply you have concerns for Islam, then you turn it all upside down. You seem confused.

I am very aware it is a clash between Islam and Secularism. I’ve been saying this for about the last three months. Zat is the problem. Bernard Lewis and an Egyptian Jesuit (both Scholars on Islam) confirmed my pre-existing opinion on what’s been feeding Islam. Hedonism, bad telly, Western decadence etc.

The TV shows are also not a good example of your personal experience. It is not first hand so it is not personal. It is only mainstream media again, and that’s your only source of knowledge of Islam? That’s pathetic and shows you can't be serious. Now I see how you relate to Foxy. They don’t let us help them George, and they cannot help themselves either as they have no desire to integrate. A Muslima finding the same solace in Christianity – you’re kidding, right? Again, mysoginism is entrenched in Islam. “

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“converting to Christianity where she could find the same solace” – of course not because death is the penalty for Converts, or Reverts what they call them because everyone in the world is born Muslim anyway . Crazy stuff – they do not recognise any other beliefs outside the ideology of Islam. As Mohammed (the psychopath) is the last prophet.

Muslims hold contempt for Jews and Christians and their attitude is even worse for Atheists – and there you have Charlie Hebdo as a result. Yes, interesting they have to live separately in Bavaria. Apartheid anyone? And yes, it can be very hard finding an English speaker at times in Sydney.

So who is more important, ONE terrorist suspect or hundreds of honour killing victims, sex slavery victims, thousands of terrorist victims? Do females count?

In the DS story, “Humiliation, sexual harassment”. We normal people, are always being humiliated every day by PC impinging on our freedom of speech and thoughts. Muslim men are always sexually harassing females, especially in Socialist Sweden.

And you have the nerve to imply that I am offensive.

And stop trying to telling me indirectly that I am too emotional. This is the most important issue since WWII, actually it’s much worse. Do you really expect the West to be numb on accepting foreign violence into their societies. I’d rather be passionate and anxious than insipid or indifferent any day.

Why have the intelligentsia become so anti-intellectual when it comes to Islam. But then again, that’s just what society has become - dumbing down everything and turned us all into sychophants.

I resent your comments when you have told me I haven’t contributed anything when you haven’t even bothered to try and understand Islam. And you think you’re the rational one here.

Expulsions? But we are living in a Dark Age anyway - doesn’t matter what century we’re in. Since Islam has perpetrated host counties throughout the world, throughout the centuries aiming for its goal of Dar Es Salaam bit by bit.

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Sheesh, that wasn't worth the effort. Hysteria ain't what it used to was.