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Freedom of Speech - Is it too big a price to pay?

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Dear Jayb,

So you want to ban all Muslims from Western countries?

Why?

By passing laws that prevent people from living
with others of different faiths, people will never
learn how to live in diversity based on tolerance.

I did a brief search on the web under the subject -
"Islam in Australia," and came up with some interesting
information in Wikipedia. It's worth a read of the
history of Muslims in this country.

It also stated that "The Muslim community is fragmented
racially, ethnically, culturally and linguistically.
Members of the Australian Muslim Community thus also
espouse parallel non-religions ethnic identities with
related non-Muslim counterparts - either within
Australia or abroad."
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 20 January 2015 10:07:43 PM
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Foxy: By passing laws that prevent people from living with others of different faiths, people will never learn how to live in diversity based on tolerance.

I agree with that, however that only goes for Jews, Hindus, Buddhists & other Christian Denominations. moslems don't have any tolerance for any Religion other than for Islam & even then they haven't had any tolerance for variations of Islam in 1400 years.

moslems WILL never learn how to live in diversity based on tolerance.

Therefore it is best that this threat to Western Culture is removed & the people who are willing to live with diversity can live together in Peace & Harmony.
Posted by Jayb, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 8:03:27 AM
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The irony is getting thicker by the second.

If only we could mine it...
Posted by Craig Minns, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 8:20:13 AM
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Hi Constance,

>> You think Pope Benedict should have apologised?<<

Certainly not. I think there is an im portant but subtle difference - especially if coming from a public figure - between apologising for what I have said or done, and regretting having hurt somebody’s feelings. In the first case I agree that I have done something that I now see was wrong, in the second case I do not see it but when you say that you were hurt, then I am sorry.

Islam certainly is a problem for the post-Christian West, something like a medieval mentality (with 21st century technology) clashing with our globalising 21st century world. There is some agreement on the diagnosis, but no agreement on a plausible cure, even whether such a cure exists at all; and when not then what?.

I don’t remember having said Muslims should be Westernised (meaning by non-Muslims). Only recently, I wrote on another thread:

“We should remember that Enlightenment was not imported to the Christian West from the outside (say from China) but it grew on its own soil. Therefore I think non-Muslims should encourage a similar development WITHIN Islam (there is even talk about Euroislam); ridiculing or abusing Koran and Muhammad just in order to make use of somebody’s freedom of speech, is counterproductive.”

You are right that I understand Christianity and the culture it begat much better than Islam and the culture (and ideology, not the same thing) built on it. However, the problem is not with Christians and post-Christians flooding the Muslim world (which they should learn to know and adjust to) with immigrants and refugees, but the other way around. I am not happy with the likely outlook of Islam becoming the leading religion in Western Europe (of course, outnumbering only practising Christians not the vast majority of areligious) without having to resort to violence, in a few decades. (In Cologne where I live, 10% are of Turkish descent, all self-confessed Muslims, at least in the ethnic meaning of the word.) What do you suggest should be done?
Posted by George, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 8:47:27 AM
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Jayb: moslems WILL never learn how to live in diversity based on tolerance.

How tolerant are you? In an Islamicized Western World, would you be this tolerant?

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Posted by Jayb, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 10:19:41 AM
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HI George,

Expulsions.

Expulsions were undertaken in the past by the Catholic Church due to minorities undermining national security and Christian culture. There were warranted reasons. I am sure of this.

George, you must see Islam not as a religion – it is not. Mohammad was the devil. Please see my posts on the “It’s Islam, not Islamism”, especially the most recent. I’ve done some formal study and my own research and my own observations of Muslims living in Sydney. I also know people who have lived in the Middle East – plenty of personal stories and anecdotes. I’ve been highly conscious due to my workplace where it’s all happening and has been an real eye opener.

We must get serious. Islam is a 100% way of life which directs Muslims in all sorts of ways, even toiletry, And as a female, I do not want my their misogynistic ways imposed upon the future of my female relatives nor anyone else's. Political correctness and fawning all over them has been highly detrimental to the Western way of life.

Leftist propaganda has been feeding Islam and our true history has been grossly distorted. Our universities have been plagued by Marxists supporting minorities and not the normal mainstream people. The aim is to create mayhem and division. Its pretty obvious, really. Radical Secularism has clashed with Islam taking more and more advantage of the West at its most weakest. Sweden and France in particular, as they are both embedded in Socialism. Sweden now has the 2nd highest rape record in the world due to Muslim immigrants.

Mohammad was a false prophet and madman. Think ideology more than religion. Religion is only the beard. There is nothing benign or benevolent in Islam. It has harsh origins from the desert. They don't like nature, animals etc.
Posted by Constance, Thursday, 22 January 2015 8:33:45 AM
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