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Freedom of Speech - Is it too big a price to pay?

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Jayb,

>>In Australia we recognize the truth behind the cartoon & have a laugh. <<

True, but when I wrote that an offence or insult (in distinction to e.g. a critique) does not communicate a message, I had in mind the targeted group, not those who “self-communicate” some message by “having a laugh”. There is constructive and non-constructive criticism, but only “non-constructive” ridicule.

But still, you would have a point if one could stop the increasing immigration of Muslims, refugees or not, to Europe (and perhaps also to Australia) which obviously is not the case for a number of reasons.
Posted by George, Sunday, 18 January 2015 8:57:12 AM
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On The Beach,

There used to be 'OZ' and various scurrilous university student journals (and maybe 'Private Eye' or was that just in Britain ?) and of course the wonderful Nation Review: some of their cartoons were just brilliant.

I ran a scurrilous journal myself, 1973-1974, Black News, an el Cheapo roneo thing. I cringe when I look at some of the stuff my wife and I put in it. Funny how some of the same rubbish has come around again with the Aboriginal Sovereignty Movement, and the push for the recognition of 'nations', i.e. families/clans/clan land.

I don't know if Green Left Weekly runs cartoons - the Left doesn't seem to have a sense of humour these days [totalitarians end not to have senses of humours], they have to double-check first whether or not they can laugh without offending other totalitarians.

But I certainly miss Oz and Nation Review. John Hepworth ran some uproarious columns for the NR, and Cook's cartoons (and Leunig's too) stay in the memory.

I wonder what sort of humour we can expect under Shari'a ? Is there any in the Koran ? Does Allah ever have a good chuckle ?

Muhammad walks into a bar ..... no, I don't think so.

A Samaritan, a Jew and an Arab are shipwrecked along with a herd of piglets and a barrel of rum ..... No, not that either.

A woman says to her husband ..... no, they have to wait for permission to speak, that wouldn't work.

A terrorist gets shot by a woman sniper and knocks on the closed doors of Paradise ..... No, not much funny in what happens next.

We might have to leave humour to the Jews. They know how to laugh at themselves, as human beings.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Sunday, 18 January 2015 10:50:57 AM
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Hi there LOUDMOUTH...

G'day there Joe...

You speak of the old 'Nation Review', a terrible rag in my humble opinion ? Me and a couple of other detectives were named, as conspiring to murder a well known Sydney crim, who's matter we were currently investigating ? Fortunately the allegation was so broad and the language employed by this fool, so 'loose', we never received a visit from Internal Investigators ?

Still to publish material that may have had a deleterious effect upon the progress of our investigation was in very poor taste I reckon ? You'll note Joe, I omitted to use the word 'journalistic' taste !
Posted by o sung wu, Sunday, 18 January 2015 12:08:34 PM
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Charlie Hebdo from what I understand were radical Leftists who espoused vulgarity over real wit. And were anti-Racists (a Lefty obsession to cause divisiveness) and were just about to publish an attack on Michel Houllebeque for criticising Islam in his novels. Go figure! Talk about confusing and tres stupido. They irresponsibly and inanely slaughtered their religious enemies with comics and got slaughtered in return. They were not innocent. And all it seems that they were about was radical Leftist nothingness really. And extreme hatred.

Islam has contempt for Jews and Christians but have an even worse view of Atheists. So as the dumbo Leftists proceed unwittingly and UNAWARE of what was coming to them. And as a consequence, devoured by Islam. DUH!

I don't subscribe to conspicuous compassion and porno grieving especially not for fools.

>>>>>>>

That's right Joe,

Pascal said that the beginning of morality was to think well; generosity of spirit is not enough.
Posted by Constance, Sunday, 18 January 2015 12:47:45 PM
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Sorry George, Merkel is speaking in appeasement tones which can't last. No use pretending.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1355961/Nicolas-Sarkozy-joins-David-Cameron-Angela-Merkel-view-multiculturalism-failed.html

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/oct/17/angela-merkel-germany-multiculturalism-failures

Again, its all politics with no conviction or integrity. Vapid contradictions and doublespeak.

They are living in fear and seceding and taking the rest of us with them. How dare they.
Posted by Constance, Sunday, 18 January 2015 1:36:21 PM
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"... They were not innocent. And all it seems that they were about was radical Leftist nothingness really. And extreme hatred."

Unlike the toxic rants you splash all over this forum?

"Islam has contempt for Jews and Christians but have an even worse view of Atheists. So as the dumbo Leftists proceed unwittingly and UNAWARE of what was coming to them. And as a consequence, devoured by Islam. DUH!

I don't subscribe to conspicuous compassion and porno grieving especially not for fools."

And not even a skerrick of wit or satire in your repertoire....
Posted by Poirot, Sunday, 18 January 2015 1:39:01 PM
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