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Is Halel certification a form of religious tax on consumers?

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How can wheat flour have a 'Halal' certification?

It would seem to me that it would be impossible to so certify wheat products in Australia.
Posted by Is Mise, Monday, 5 January 2015 6:46:26 PM
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Dear Josephus,

Advertisers don't do it because they like people, but because they like their money!

Advertising is intended to tempt people to part with their money for goods and services which they wouldn't otherwise want to spend it on, but writing the address and contacts of one's company in the phone book along with a brief factual description of the goods and services they provide, is not advertising because it is intended for those who already know what they want and are looking for ways to obtain it of their own volition.

Such organisations that extort in the name of religion are not truly religious.

Some people's jobs is to carry out initial, regular and unannounced inspections on behalf of a religious community in order to ensure that the food they purchase fits and continues to fit the requirements of their religious convictions. For those people, it is their livelihood and they also incur travel and office expenses, so there is nothing unreasonable about them asking to be remunerated.

No food company should be obliged to use the services of those people, but if they don't then the community in question would not trust their products and therefore not purchase them. This is not a threat but a statement of fact.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 5 January 2015 7:08:50 PM
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Yuyutsu,
Such religious organisations are not more than stand over men to demand fees to inspect the quality of food. We have Govt inspectors visiting the premises of those selling food they do not ask for fees from the suppliers. Surprisingly many of those premises fined by the Govt inspectors are Muslim selling substandard food in infested premises.

When I shop for food I inspect it for quality I do not charge the supplier for it meeting my standards of quality and the fact I had to spend time and petrol to purchase.

This religious fee for certification is a wrought. I am deeply religious and love good food and I find it offencive that some religions seek fees for quality food.
Posted by Josephus, Monday, 5 January 2015 7:38:07 PM
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Dear Josephus,

<<Such religious organisations are not more than stand over men to demand fees to inspect the quality of food.>>

I am not that familiar with Halal certification, but those who produce Kosher certifications don't inspect the quality and health-wise worthiness of the food since it's not their job:

If a loaf of bread is stale, hard and full of mould or bacteria, it can still be kosher (because Judaism has no prohibition on fungi and considers only such creatures which can be seen by the naked eye as animals), but if it contains bits of shrimps or a "471" emulsifier which could be derived from pigs or kangaroo, then it's their job to disqualify it.

Yes, there is some intersection, because if the bread contains worms or cockroaches then it is neither healthy nor kosher, but mostly the two authorities check for very different things.

Believe it or not, having sufficiently deep understanding of the Kosher rules as well as the current practices and sources of foods in the market, requires extensive study. Those who make the inspections should also possess high character standards, otherwise their community would not trust them and their certifications.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 5 January 2015 8:07:37 PM
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The introduction of Halal certification has been done for marketing purposes by manufacturers to increase sales - just like "fat free", "sugar free", "low salt", gluten free" and so on.

The Heart Foundation tick is also something that is paid for by the manufacturer but passed on to the consumer.

Halal and Kosher certification also allows export into foreign markets.

Kosher foods also add costs to manufacturing but in local areas of the USA many of these go directly into the pockets of local representatives and have previously been seen as a scam - for example, re-blessing of meat being transported every 72 hours by a local Rabbi.

The labelling is not a response to Muslim or Jewish demands but a deliberate commercial choice.

Those who believe it has a sinister terrorist purpose will probably see the same thing everywhere - yet they still buy petrol from the Saudis who directly fund all manner of nasty things.
Posted by wobbles, Tuesday, 6 January 2015 10:01:27 AM
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Wobbles, I certainly do not know if the fees are directed to what
would be illegal organisations.
The main question I have is why do companies who have paid the fee not
put the logo on their packets ?
Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 6 January 2015 11:25:48 AM
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