As always, George's sentiments are like balm : )

My church-going elderly Catholic friends are probably the most contented, least agitated people I know.

Constance,

You may be dissatisfied with the way Western society is heading. However it's possible to make your points without constantly slandering Foxy and Suse in the process.

Thanks, George, but......my whole point is that people like Foxy contribute to the mess we're in. It really is pernicious.

Poirot,

Its a tad bit of exaggeration that I pick on the likes of Foxy all the time. Something like maybe 3 times in 4years or something. Big deal. She's a big girl. For me, anyway, I don't use this forum for socialising. When you are constantly fed bulldust (in our current Dark Ages) occasional outbursts become necessary (consult Dr Dalrymple). I'm only human.

I still see you're in your usual form on Black and White, slipping and sliding with your juvenile jabs at concerned people with your obtuse denials and ignorance.

I can predict now you'll probably go through my post history to count my comedy of should be shamefuls - I'm a bad girl. As that is your modus operandi where you like to bring down people who have legitimate concerns with their intellectual inquiry in lieu of searching for any truths yourself. Just shows your hypocrisy once again, as you are always attacking people and you have nothing to say. For some odd reason you have this need for attention.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq7JSic1DtM

And how many times have you been deleted for abuse on this forum. Weren't you barred once?

Dear Constance,

I've been accused of many things but indifference
has never been one of them. Being too passionate
about issues - yes, definitely. But being indifferent?
NO!

I also need to politely suggest that if you're
going to attack someone for certain supposed traits that
you feel they possess - then you really need to
check those traits to make sure that you don't
put them on display yourself - otherwise your credibility
suffers.

Anyway, as I stated earlier - honest people can have honest
disagreements over contentious subjects. It is the vitriol
displayed that is so baffling - and it should not appear
in a discussion under the guise of criticism.

In conclusion here is a quote that may give you some food
for thought its from a book by Dr Haim Ginott - who has
lectured and led seminars in child psychotherapy, parent
guidance, and teacher education in the United States,
Europe, and Israel, and has published numerous articles
on these subjects. You gave a quote about "indifference"
by the wonderful Elie Wiesel and I thought the following
quote would make an appropraite addition:

"On the first day of the new school year, all the
teachers in one private school received the following note
from their principal:

Dear Teacher:

I am a survivor of a concentration camp. My eyes saw what
no man should witness:

Gas chambers built by "learned" engineers.
Children poisoned by "educated" physicians.
Infants killed by "trained" nurses.
Women and babies shot and burned by "high school"
and "college" graduates.
So, I am suspicious of education.
My request is: Help your students become human. Your
efforts must never produce learned monstors, skilled
psychopaths, educated Eichmanns.

Reading, writing, arithmetic are important only if they
serve to make our children more humane."

So much for "indifference."

BTW: Regarding "Political Correctness?"
If it's political, how on earth can it be correct. (smile).
the following should make a

Constance,

>> my whole point is that people like Foxy contribute to the mess we're in. <<

Each one of us has somehow contributed to the mess this world finds itself in now, but as far as this forum is concerned I think there are quire a few who seem to be contributing much more than Foxy.

Maybe this, from my earlier post, might help to understand what I mean:

We seem to be living in times that in some way resemble those of St Augustine: Although himself part of the declining Roman civilisation, he did not lament over its demise with the civilised pagans, nor did he rejoice over its downfall with the new barbarians. His faith turned lament and nostalgia into respect for tradition, and fear of the new, unknown, into hope for a better world, as painful as the transitional period might turn out to be.

Dear George,

Thank You.
I enjoy reading your posts.
And always learn something from them.

Dear Poirot,

I envy your way with words and your ability
to get to the crux of the matter in difficult
situations. My patience here is beginning to run out
and I just might take a page from our resident - learned
poster - David Fisher, who when he sees a discussion
that's made up of personal attacks simply doffs his hat
and walks away. He realises that nothing constructive
will be achieved by continuing and doesn't see the
point in pursuing a discussion with someone who's only
interested in condemnation and abuse.