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Suspending/cancelling passports

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Ollie A.

I don't think hysterically reacting to postings on social media and the rantings of a few crazed individuals warrants re-organising our entire society and legal system.

Sending 800 police on a dawn raid and coming up with a plastic sword and only one individual "charged" was little more than a PR stunt.

It did make for good local politics and media sales.

If anybody seriously wants to "do us harm" they are more likely to be off the grid and invisible to the authorities until they choose to act, not parading about with a flashing light on their head.

We had a similar fear debate during the Howard/Hanson era but back then it was un-assimilating Asians wanted to "swamp" our society and hordes of Triad gangsters plotting to undermine our personal safety.
In the fifties and sixties it was the European post-war refugees that were going to do similar things.

The trouble with surrendering our personal freedoms is that we never ever get them given back and will eventually find ourselves living in a Police State.

Even now we are surrendering aspects of our personal privacy via metadata legislation.

What will it be next I wonder?
Posted by wobbles, Saturday, 1 November 2014 2:36:12 PM
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So you haven't been to Cabramatta then wobbly? If you had you would know those fears were true. Whilst not a no go area, like many areas taken over by our Muslim intake, it is still a haven for many criminal activities.

It is always difficult policing people of different ethnicity. It is much harder to read body language, & even the very best still carry a certain amount of ethnic loyalty to their fellows. They are very loath to "put in" a brother.
Posted by Hasbeen, Saturday, 1 November 2014 4:43:19 PM
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Wobbles
You are welcome to believe that islamic fundamentalism is not a threat to the freedoms you currently enjoy. Others respepecfully beg to disagree with you. Terms like "hysterically" are not conducive to logical debate. Regretably there is a conflict between delivering physical safety and preserving civil liberties which is worthy of careful consideration.
Posted by Ollie A, Saturday, 1 November 2014 5:31:26 PM
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Dear Ollie,

<<You are welcome to believe that islamic fundamentalism is not a threat to the freedoms you currently enjoy.>>

Islamic fundamentalism IS indeed a threat, currently.

But if those freedoms that we currently [still] enjoy are taken away by government, then Islamic fundamentalism would no longer be a threat - because there will be nothing further to take.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Saturday, 1 November 2014 10:43:25 PM
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Yuyutsu,
What freedoms are being taken away? "Privacy"? It is to laugh.
The government agencies and corporations can already access all your personal information whenever they want, you know those little pop up windows labeled "terms of service" which appear every time you sign up to a website or open an online account? When you check the "I agree button" you're consenting to handing over all the data you enter into that system and the proprietors of websites as well as the web hosting companies are required by their "terms of service" agreements with the government to allow access to your information subject to certain conditions.
You'd also be aware that in societies dominated by Islam the governments are always weak and the people pretty much just wander about doing whatever they want which often includes forming militias like ISIS or Hezbollah. ISIS,Hamas or the PKK couldn't have formed in a Western society, there are too many rules and regulations, too many eyes on them, that's why they chose Raqqua and Anbar province as the poles of their new Caliphate rather than the relative comforts of the West.
Sure, extremist groups can form in a society like Australia but they're totally dependant upon the smoke screens sent up by stupid White leftists and Libertarians for any success they have, if it wasn't for "social justice" lawyers and preachy methodists gaming the system things wouldn't even have come this far.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Sunday, 2 November 2014 5:48:58 AM
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Just too true Jay.
Posted by Bazz, Sunday, 2 November 2014 7:46:40 AM
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