Lol!..May May has their measure!

Loudmouth,

"The conundrum seems to be: how on Earth did the Greens degenerate into right-wing apologists for terrorists ? How did things get to this point ? Appalling..."

While you're slapping good ol' Jayb on the back and buying him a drink - he just advocated this for Muslims in Australia:

""....The introduction of Myxomatosis & Parvovirus has controlled the Rabbits.

We need the introduction of something along those lines in Legislation before it's too late. Australia need to stop acerbating the problem by importing any more of this introduced species, now. The cause of the problem."

Here's a bit more:

"Australia didn't have this problem when there were only a few scattered about here & there. Now, like cane toads, they are becoming a National problem & need eradication...."

Like that sort of rhetoric do you?

Tell me how that mindset is so radically different from the evil mindset of IS?

You prance around here whooping up the humanitarian angle of the govts intervention in Iraq...and you fail to utter a single word against the above diatribe by Jayb.

That's because your so-called "humanitarian" angle is merely so much seasoning to flavour your own attacks on anyone who criticises the govt's domestic "hysteria" agenda..."

You say...

"... but you can't expect children to operate easily in, or to understand, an adult world."

Your latest whizz-bang device is to deride your opponents by referring to them as "school children", I see.

Yes, yes, very impressive - and I realise when your argument is weak, it's handy to have devices like that to fall back on...sort of like a crutch to a lame argument.

Cheers

May May,
I'm not a Christian, I'm an atheist.
You don't know much history do you?
There's no such thing as a Christian army,that's a contradiction in terms because the religion is spread by unarmed missionaries, you're just using the word "Christian" in place of the word European, it's exactly what ISIS does and the same tactic used by Hitler's and Stalin's socialists.
You use the word "Christian" because clearly you don't like Europeans or the people descended from European colonists, it's just race baiting but it's also a straw man argument.
There's no opposition to Islamic immigration or even radical Islamism from Christians, they're 100% for "Team Australia", the churches are even selling them land and buildings for use as Mosques.
I can say that most Muslims are decent people but the majority of Christians are outright traitors who are either radical leftists like the Uniting Church and the Jesuits or demented Zionists like Danny Nalliah and Fred Nile.
Islam is a lot easier for a real atheist to live with because it's not really a religion and it's adherents mostly don't bother anyone, secularism and Christianity are cults whose adherents (like you) throw their weight around all the time, every day they're pillorying someone for saying the wrong thing or not behaving the way they think people should.

Wounded Goose,

I think you may have misunderstood: I was simply picking up on something JayB wrote and extending it, to suggest that many people who claim to be on the Left and yet, by default, provide support and comfort to the extreme-Right ISIS - that, for all their talk, they are not particularly concerned about the butchery of human beings, far away.

My reference to them as 'children' was an attempt at euphemism, that their implicit support for ISIS was naïve rather than duplicitous.

After all, the situation across the Middle East is fiendishly complicated, with each party having its own grievances and agenda: if Obama can gradually resolve that tangle, then he deserves another Nobel Peace Prize.

I hope that clarifies the point.

Cheers,

Joe

Loudmouth,

Yes, I appreciate that you were picking up on Jayb's comment...still doesn't explain why you meekly accept his "let's eradicate Muslims" mindset - no views on that?

My reference to "school children" was not merely addressing that comment. You have lately spent many posts addressing others as if they were still in high school...remember all those?

Scintillating.

And as for who does and does not show that they are particularly concerned "about the butchery of human beings, far away."

well, judging from the govt's reaction and from some of those around here, such concern is rather selective.

I don't recall the govt gave diddly squat for the slaughter of 2,000 unarmed civilians in Gaza recently - around 500 of which were kids and babies blown to smithereens by Israel's advanced weaponry...or the fact that these unarmed civilian murderously pursued had nowhere to run, no borders to flee across (as they were blocked) and when they did seek shelter in UN designated compounds, they were bombed by the aggressor with gay abandon as well.

Didn't hear a peep from you criticising that particular round of butchery happening far away....

......

Btw....Bronnie that stalwart of democracy (and who believes it's represented by booting out 200 Labor members to around 3 LNP members), may have dudded her chances for presidency of the Inter-Parliamentary Union.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/burqa-announcement-damages-bronwyn-bishops-chances-for-global-gig-20141004-10qblh.html

"The Speaker is campaigning for the presidency of the Inter-Parliamentary Union, an international organisation that promotes democracy. She is running against candidates from Muslim nations Bangladesh, Indonesia and the Maldives. Ms Bishop is reportedly the frontrunner.

The IPU places an emphasis on the empowerment of women, especially when it comes to politics and government. At October's assembly, a debate has been scheduled on "achieving gender equality [and] ending violence against women".

Hi Wounded Goose,

Nice deviation :)

From memory, I did in fact, many times, deplore the killing of innocent civilians in Gaza. My suggestion was that, if Hamas stopped firing rockets into Israel with the intent of terrorising the population (that didn't seem to work so well) then Israel would cease military operations against Hamas.

Lo and behold ! that seemed to work. No rockets, no retaliation: truce.

Two thousand people means a lot of death and suffering. ISIS seemed to have caused that in a single atrocity, when they shot around two thousand prisoners and dumped their bodies in trenches, in one day. ISIS, by all accounts (except those on the pseudo-Left and the extreme Right: interesting bedfellows; which one are you?) has killed tens of thousands in their current offensive against the people of Syria and Iraq (and Kurdistan and Lebanon).

I don't know how many children they have beheaded or women they have raped and then either murdered or enslaved, but it probably out-does whatever the Israelis have done in Gaza, many, many times over. Isn't that so ?

And that has ceased for the time being. Why was that ? Because Hamas ceased firing rockets into Israel, with the intent of doing terrible damage. Once they ceased trying to terrorise Israelis with random rockets, military operations ceased. Isn't that so ?

I hope this clarifies the differences between the conflicts.

Cheers,

Joe

Loudmouth,

You could attempt to make yourself cognizant of all the machinations Israel has instituted to stall and upset agreements with the Palestinians in Gaza.

But you won't of course.

It doesn't suit your narrative.

Note that shortly after the cessation of bombing and indiscriminate slaughter that Israel grabbed some more land for settlements.

"Binyamin Netanyahu orders the biggest land-grab in a generation"

http://www.economist.com/news/middle-east-and-africa/21615644-binyamin-netanyahu-orders-biggest-land-grab-generation-another-thousand

"SOME people are never grateful. On August 31st Israel’s government made its largest appropriation of occupied West Bank land in a generation. It took some 1,000 acres of virgin hills for a proposed new city, Givaot, doubling the population of the Gush Etzion block of settlements sprawling on the hills around Bethlehem."

"Nevertheless, hopes of reviving peace talks are evaporating, just as they did when Mr Netanyahu’s last land appropriation in March made peace talks go “poof”, in the words of John Kerry, the American secretary of state. Mr Netanyahu may have negotiated the Gaza ceasefire with a Palestinian delegation that included the Islamist Hamas movement, which rules Gaza. But he says he will not talk peace with the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, as long as his government is backed by Hamas. His defence minister, Moshe Yaalon, says the arms build-up in Gaza shows that Israel cannot cede the West Bank."

"Encircled by Mr Netanyahu’s latest appropriation, Palestinian residents of the bucolic village of Wadi Fukin have already lost all but 450 of the 3,000 acres they once had, and stand to lose more. The hillsides where the village’s 600 sheep and goats graze are set to go. Unable to farm, many men find work as builders, often on Jewish settlements nearby. They may yet be called upon to build homes for Israelis on land they regard as their own."

"Nice deviation :)"

Oh, I forgot, unless Loudy decrees it - and titles it "slightly off topic"...then it's a deviation/diversion....etc