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The Great Burqa Debate

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Burqa bandit in armed cash grab
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/burqa-bandit-in-armed-cash-grab-20100506-ub1r.html
Voluminous traditional clothing used to hide bomb vest, LTTE, Sri Lanka.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VnLpNrhVxQ
However..
The idea that a female terrorist would attempt an attack clad in a burqa goes against what we know about suicide attacks, the terrorist wants to remain invisible until the last minute so they usually alter their appearance to appear more "western", like the Madrid and London bombers.
So in Iraq where most women wear the chador or other loose fitting garments it'd make sense for a terrorist to dress that way in order to blend in, in Australia it'd make more sense to dress like any other woman in fashionable clothes.
This is a female Islamic Jihad terrorist who was involved in the notorious mother's day bombing in Israel, she's wearing a hijab in prison but the clip shows photos of her in dressed western fashion and wearing make up in the time she was on the operations, like a lot of criminals she's found god in jail:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIFL-Kbpf10
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Friday, 3 October 2014 4:16:25 PM
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O sung wu, identification CAN be readily obtained. Upon entering Parliament House, anyone wearing a burqa is required to undergo security checks, just like everyone else. Most modern Muslim women (I know this because I've had a lot of interaction with Muslim women in Aust.) are happy to temporarily remove whatever headgear they are wearing for a security check. A tiny minority of Muslim women would ask for a woman to do the check whilst the headgear is removed in private.

Therefore, there's absolutely no security grounds for banning Muslim women who choose to wear the burqa into the Parliament House question time viewing areas.

People on this thread are opposed to the burqa for CULTURAL reasons. It intimidates them, makes them paranoiac and fearful due to media brainwashing and their own lack of worldly education.
Posted by May May, Friday, 3 October 2014 4:25:11 PM
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Hi May May,

No. What's your point ?

I support the right of Muslim women to wear what they like. I support the right of motor-cyclists to wear what they like. And people who don't want to catch stray germs. And even those people who wear those stupid hoodies. And balaklavas. But not in Parliament.

It's all a bit moot now, since the Senate ruling has been overturned. Abbott didn't support it, and neither did Labor. End of story.

Hopefully, end of thread :)

Joe
www.firstsources.info
Posted by Loudmouth, Friday, 3 October 2014 4:28:24 PM
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MM: can you name even one person who has been ejected from the Parliament House viewing areas, for shouting abuse/interjecting whilst wearing a burqa.

Same thing can be said of; being naked, wearing a yellow ribbon or a big blue condom. Hmmm. Come to think of it.

MM: People on this thread are opposed to the burqa for CULTURAL reasons. It intimidates them,

Sorry I don't find it intimidating. I find it; Abhorrent, Politically Incorrect & Unacceptable. Being the fine upstanding, Politically Correct, Greenie type person I am, it should be banned, like Xmas & Easter, Santa & the Easter Bunny, & Baa! Baa! Black Sheep.

Sorry!, I'll go get the cloth & clean up the mess.
Posted by Jayb, Friday, 3 October 2014 4:44:19 PM
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Foxy,

"However I still stand by my personal objection to
the burqa. In our society there are things that we
are not allowed to do. For example - we drive on the
left-side of the street not the right side. And even
though I might be from the US (as an example) where
they drive on the right-side - I won't be able to do that
here, even though I might feel more comfortabe doing it
being accustomed to my usual practices.

The same goes for female genital mutilation (FGM),
child-brides, polygamy, fire-works in suburbia, lighting
fires during fire-bans or funeral-pires in the backyard.
These are all illegal in this country and everyone is
expected to obey the laws despite what goes on in other
countries where this is common practice."

What has any of that got to do with compelling niqab (or burqa) wearing women to sit behind glass screens in the gallery - after they've been cleared by security?

"The wearing of burqas has been raised as a security-issue,
particularly in the light of terrorist threats to a number
of Western countries, including Australia. And it is on
record that burqas have been used as a disguise by terrorists
in the past."

Frankly, that is nonsensical...(it has been pointed out ad nauseam) that any woman wearing a niqab (or burqa) wouldn't be in the gallery at all if she hadn't already been cleared by security to enter.

How can it possibly be a "security issue?

"...but total concealment is as I see it problematic
in a country such as ours - especially when our security
may be at risk."

Regarding the "burqa" - you've read Waleed's article:

http://www.theage.com.au/comment/burqa-ban-a-political-excuse-for-persecution-20141002-10p0mc.html

"For starters, it's not a burqa. A burqa is that particularly Afghan garment, usually blue, with the mesh covering the eyes. The one you've seen on the news (or perhaps on Jacqui Lambie's Facebook page), but almost certainly never in Australia. We're talking about the niqab..."

You're aware of that.

The "burqa" emergency was confected in order to further propel the hysteria juggernaut....interesting to see that you've swallowed it whole.
Posted by Poirot, Friday, 3 October 2014 4:50:30 PM
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May May,
"Cultural reasons" is a valid premise upon which to build an argument, the pro side are arguing from that standpoint and the veil/chador/burqa is worn purely for "cultural reasons".
It's logically inconsistent for you to accuse one group of people arguing cultural sensitivity of being bigots while legitimising the same argument from another.
When you use that type of specious reasoning you betray yourself, you may say you're Anti Racist, what you are is Anti White, Anti Racist is just a code word for Anti White.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Friday, 3 October 2014 5:59:24 PM
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