Why is Abbott leading with Australia's chin over the IS, to the point we are singled out by ISIS for special attention (and the Russians too)?

He is putting a target on every Australian, everywhere, for domestic brownie points. It's easy for him to call it from way here down-under, well away from the action. However, I have a son studying to complete a degree in Indonesia and Abbott's unnecessary bellicose rhetoric is adversely affecting his security and leaving me most worried.

Why must our words speak any louder than our actions? I see the polls are improving for the LNP over this, which may well result in a countryman losing his head.

Luciferase I do hope your son is OK, however kowtowing to this scum is not the answer.

You don't have to go into their territory to be in danger from the rubbish. My son was attacked by 4 of them, Sydney "Lebs", in the streets of Allawah, Sydney, as he walked home from the railway station, some years back, before their hate for us became so obvious & public knowledge.

If a couple of cars had not stopped chasing away these 4 bits of Muslim trash, who had fractured his skull in 4 places with their boots, he would have ended up dead, or a vegetable.

I can't imagine why anyone would chose to study in Indonesia, but that is his choice. Personally I would prefer the coming confrontation brought on as soon as possible, so we can clean out the garbage, & make our streets safer. If that means it is more dangerous in some oversees places, so be it.

The fact that something happening half a world away should make it more dangerous for your son only proves we need to take action now, before this vial lot take total control. Cowering from it is exactly the wrong reaction.

Hasbeen, I am sorry to hear about what happened to your son, but surely people get bashed by criminals of any race, colour or creed in this country?
Maybe that is the reason why you single out all Muslim people as terrorists?

All of them will be dealt with by the courts in the same way, and punished.
Many people of European origin here are violent too aren't they?
And in far greater numbers than the hated Muslim criminals.

Abbott is carrying on as though Australia is being over run by Muslim terrorists, when it isn't.
He is playing on the emotions of the unintelligent amongst us to whip up hysteria and gain him Liberal votes as the great saviour of the Australian nation.
It makes me want to puke...

Luciferase,

You may have to accept that Muslim terror comes to you without inviting it and it appears they stick together like the proverbial to a woollen blanket. See this,

http://www.aljazeera.com/video/asia-pacific/2014/09/2014914103425525263.html

and this,
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2014/09/will-philippine-rebels-behead-german-hostage-201492691512455783.html

Nations coming together to resist the scourge of terrorism is a good thing. It is necessary to identify and deal with the evil ideology and fiends who direct the terror.

Maybe your son might be better off reconsidering his study program and where it might lead career-wise.

I'm with you there hasbeen and I think the time has come for people to decide whether they wish to be Australians, or Muslims, because I fear they can no longer be both, while ensuring some from within don't cause us harm.

As for Tony Abbott, it's been a while since weve have had a real leader,so ihis actions may seem a bit harsh to some.

Here's a little of what Tones has whipped up...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-26/police-release-cctv-of-man-wanted-over-islamic-school-threats/5772428

"Police have released CCTV images of an "obese" man suspected of threatening children at a Sydney Islamic college with a knife."

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/afghan-hazara-refugees-reportedly-threatened-with-knife-at-soccer-training-in-sydney-20140926-10mtd9.html?

"A man wielding a knife allegedly threatened a group of Afghan Azara refugees as they attended a football training session in Sydney.

Police confirmed a 29-year-old has been charged after threats were made in a park in Merrylands on Tuesday. But a police spokesman would not comment on the nature of the threat or the ethnicity of those threatened.

The spokesman said a man ran through a park on Cambridge Street about 5.25pm, threatening a group of youths.

"He left and then returned with a knife and further threatened them," he said."

Yup.....confecting terror-based hysteria for domestic consumption...what a great idea for societal cohesion!

rehctub,

"As for Tony Abbott, it's been a while since weve have had a real leader,so ihis actions may seem a bit harsh to some."

Gaaaawwwd!...replace "harsh" with "calculated" and "dumbass" and you'll be right on the money.

amazing how less than 2% of our population can spew out succ hatred and claim such victimhood. They have already managed to get the regressives to fit their close minded narrative that the average Aussie is to blame for their violence. It seems to have worked in England, France, Germany, Sweden, Phillipines and anywhere else where Muslims get a toehold.

While I would hate to think of your son being harmed Luciferase the increased harm being done by Islam in this country and numerous other countries has little to do with us fighting Isis. Bali bombings had nothing to do with Isis, bombings in London nothing to do with Isis, 9/11 nothing to do with Isis etc etc Today in Achec where many have been butchered by Muslims a law was passed to give people 100 lashes for homosexual acts.

Suseonline, this was not criminal, but deliberate intimidation, & actually bordering on terrorism.

Where he was living was near the boundary of another area they were taking over. The attack on him was a little more extreme than most, probably because he had knocked 2 of them down, before hit from behind with something heavy.

They shouted "get the white Ba####d" as they jumped out of a car.

The local cops, who interviewed him said not to expect any result, they had no chance of identifying the buggers, with out a car registration, & even then, most cars had false plates when used for such attacks. It is a common occurrence.

This was not isolated, but an on going plan to take over suburbs.

Only bloody idiots refuse to recognise what is happening right before their closed eyes & minds.

Hasbeen, being bashed by anyone of any colour, race or religion would be awful.

I would suggest there would be far more other Australian criminals than Muslim Australian criminals yelling out racist slogans to their victims before bashing them, wouldn't you?

Muslims make up only a tiny percentage of Australians right now.
Violent acts by them make up only a tiny percentage of violent acts.

So why the big over reaction?
Could it be merely because they are Muslim, and not white Christians?
If that is so, then that is very un-Australian painting ALL Muslim people with the same brush....

'So why the big over reaction?
Could it be merely because they are Muslim, and not white Christians?'

Susie has obviously never visited a prison in Australia. People are not over represented there because they commit less crime (the opposite to the regressive mantra). It is true that the tribal mentality exist among bilkies and other ehtic gangs however only those choosing complete ignorance could ignore the hatred many muslims have for white Australians. They are encouraged by the likes of Susie/abc/regressives who love to give them more licence for violence by re enforcing there vicitm mentality. They could not give a stuff about the Police who were stabbed doing their job but are greatly concerned for the criminal. Pathetic really!

What has to be shown to you Suse, to get you to see the facts.

There are now suburbs in Sydney which are now no go areas for the cops, let alone solo white Ozzies.

I do wish I could get people like you to walk alone through Bankstown, Lakemba or even San Souci, in daylight. A single female should never venture near any of them at night.

If you really want to prove me wrong, just try it.

Luciferase - hopefully nothing will happen to your son while he's studying in Indonesia. The odds are very good that he is safe.

I don't agree with you that Australia's involvement in defeating ISIS puts a target on every Australian's back. Why should it? Islam they tell us is a religion of peace, so surely the Muslims of Indonesia would not support ISIS or rise the call to do Australians harm?

We have plenty of youths of all races who are complete idiots - violent, rude, disrespectful, and racist toward anyone who is not the same. Some of our white yabbos are every bit as disgraceful and threatening as any gang of youths from Somali, Lebanon, the Middle East and even our Indigenous friends.

Terrorism is a much bigger problem, its calculated violence against innocent people who don't see it coming. 95% of the time, if a serious terrorist attack happens, its been carried out by Muslims. This is why people are increasingly anti-Muslim.

The Muslims need to get into the streets and protest against ISIS in large numbers, instead of protesting against a terrorist getting arrested. Until the majority sees the Australian Muslims denouncing ISIS and terrorism, the Muslims cannot expect much sympathy.

ISIS evolved over the past few years and we would be in the same situation whatever Party won the last election. The only difference is, if Labor was in power, Inspector Poirot and her mates would not be as critical of Australia's involvement.

ConservativeHippie,

"SIS evolved over the past few years and we would be in the same situation whatever Party won the last election. The only difference is, if Labor was in power, Inspector Poirot and her mates would not be as critical of Australia's involvement."

My criticism has not been directed at Australia's involvement, but to the confected domestic "terror crisis" by this govt.

So far they've whacked in a bunch of new surveillance laws (some of which they screamed against when they were mooted by the former govt) - and have destabilised social harmony by seemingly tilling the soil of Islamic threat on the domestic front.

All for electoral impetus, mind you.

(Don't mention the budget....)

Dear Conservative Hippie,

Perhaps the following link may help
you see things from another perspective:

http://newmatilda.com/2014/09/23/Islamophobia-australias-newest-national-sport

Suse,

Have you ever read that very violent book, the Koran?

It is sacred to Muslims and lays out their life's path for them.
It's an interesting read.

Hasbeen,

The son of friends of mine, in Greenacre, was accused at school (he was then in year 11) by a Muslim classmate of informing on him to one of the teachers which the friend's son denied.

He was a 100 yards short of home the same afternoon when a black BMW screeched to a halt and four youths jumped out and knocked him to the ground and laid the boot in, meanwhile screaming that it was for telling on a Muslim.
Fortunately nothing was broken but he was hospitalized for a few days.
Tne police could do nothing as those thatthey questioned all had numerous witnesses to say that they were elsewhere at the time of the attack.

Dear Is Mise,

According to the Australian Institute of Criminology
law enforcement authorities who deal with violence
on Friday and Saturday nights have found that most of
the violence committed is by people aged 24 - 35, who
are under the influence of either drugs and or alcohol.
Or in some cases - both. I wonder what Holy Book these
kids were raised on?

The point is that you cannot judge the majority by the
actions of a few. Or blame their religion (if they have
one at all). Individuals commit all sorts of vile acts -
for all sorts of reasons. And there are bad people of
all sorts of religious persuasions. Also, kindly refrain
from calling me names or personal attacks because I don't
happen to agree with your point of view. You are entitled
to your opinion, as I am to mine. Keep it civil.

Hasbeen, my son and his friend were hit over the head with a wrench by a couple of thugs. Ended up with stitches and the works. That was on the Gold Coast. My nephew in Melbourne while walking home with his girlfriend was set upon by a group of guys. He ended up with a minor head-injury.

My daughter has been harassed and was very scared at the time by a couple of guys one evening a few years back in Brisbane.

All were caucasian 'white' anglo boys. So what now? Shall I start a campaign to get all the Anglo losers from an English background to go back to where they came from? Clearly don't fit into Australian culture.

Being assaulted is always petrifying. The reason why somebody is picked can be for any number of reasons. Let's not go for the dog-whistle response and focus on appearance.

And Runner, this one's for you. As a young nurse, the only time I've been touched up to the point I became seriously scared was in a hospital by a white male and VERY Christian doctor with an English name. Being touched up and having sexual innuendo's thrown at you was pretty common in the 70's and 80's, so you learned how to side-step this kind of crap, but at times it could be pretty out there. So, do I think all males, Christians, male doctors or the English are sickos? No. Just some of them.

Okay Foxy, I took the bait and read, well read most of the article. Basically the article by Amy McQuire was summed up in the leading paragraph "The only Australians who should be feeling under threat right now are Muslims, the targets of hateful abuse and morally bankrupt politics."

A few paragraphs later she states: Last week, Australia woke to the front pages and shrill cries of breakfast radio and TV anchors acting as a government mouthpiece, trying to convince Australians that the war against the Islamic State...

I just can't get past those emotive exaggerated phrases 'hateful abuse and morally bankrupt politics.' I don't buy it, I don't accept the Government is morally bankrupt. The writer has a clearly far left agenda and everything she says is to sell her pie in sky view of current affairs.

I do feel sorry for the innocent Muslim families going about their daily business who get abused by ignorant racist yahoos. I've seen 'white people' on the news recently, protesting against an application for a Mosque on the Sunshine Coast, that literally made me ashamed. It's not that I even support the Mosque application, it was their totally ignorant behaviour that caused me concern.

Personally I suspect the majority of Australian Muslims are similar to the majority of western Christians, they belong to a religion inherited at birth but don't pray as frequently as required and for the most part live pretty normal Australian lives. There are plenty of secular Muslims that would be happy to live and let live. But unfortunately they are aren't speaking out with a loud enough voice.

The episode of 'Sleeping With the Enemy' offered a very insightful view into the lives of very nice people who happen to be Muslim.

But, I still believe Australia should not make the same mistake as the UK and Europe. We need to prevent any further immigration from uneducated third world Muslim 'refugees'. Japan is example Australia should follow, in regards to an immigration policy for Muslims.

Dear Yvonne,

Thank You for your thoughts on this subject.
My nephew when as a student he came to the aid
of a young girl on campus was beaten by several
thugs - to the point where he ended up in a coma for a
long time in hospital, and now has a plate in his head.
He's been brain damaged and will never be the same
again. I've written about him previously on this forum.

Thugs will be thugs.

Dear Conservative Hippie.

Thank You for your opinion and your civil response.
I am pleased that you did take the time to read the
link. That speaks volumes about you. I'm glad you're
a contributor to this forum. We need more like you.
And Yvonne, of course.

'So, do I think all males, Christians, male doctors or the English are sickos? No. Just some of them.'

Yvonne you are intelligent enough to know this doctor was acting contrary to the Christian faith. The same can't be said of the raping of many infidels.

For me the problem lies in the inability of our imam's to loudly and completely castigate ISIS and distance themselves entirely from it and its aims. If they would do this emphatically and unreservedly, it would settle Australia down somewhat.

A reason for this is perhaps that ISIS followers are seen as more devout muslims than they are, following all the tenets of the Quran rather than just its mellower aspects. Moderates may be fearful of ISIS in speaking out and, also, they'd have to disavow themselves from the full text of the Quran with its more violent inclusions, putting a question mark over their entire upbringing and faith. Constance put up the following awhile back, which touches on some of this.

http://m.ncregister.com/daily-news/father-samir-on-isis-what-they-are-doing-is-diabolical/%23ixzz3CCHeuFxw#.VA-IssLa40t

I spoke with my son today. He's only 20 and I've tried to raise his level of vigilance without making him fearful, a fine line. To live a fearful life is to be avoided.

Susie, Foxy and Poirot,
It seems the females here have come out strongly in support of muslims. They claim over reation, unaustralian, only actions of a few, etc. One even blamed Abbott PM or tones as she called him.

Frankly it is the beheadings and other atrocities of ISIS that has caused the reaction, all in the name of Allah. Instead of blaming Abbott, critisise him for being too soft! Tougher measures are necessary. Like stopping further muslim immigration.

For those that claim it is unfair to penalize all for the actions of a few. That precedent was set with the confiscation of firearms years ago. So why is it Ok to discriminate against ALL gun owners because of the actions of a couple of mentally ill or evil persons, but not against ALL members of a particular religion because of the actions of many others that share the same faith?

Don't forget that the muslims have historical record here of female harassment, gang rape, thuggery and anti social behavior. Now there is a direct threat to us.

The more muslims there are here the bigger problems we will have in future.

Luciferase,

Thank you for the link. I read it in detail. It simply put and illuminating.

Is Mise, no, I have never and will never, read the koran.
Why would I? I don't believe in any invisible Allah any more than I do a Christian god.

As a child I was forced to read most of the bible though, and I would never actually follow what it suggests we should do in many parts of that book either.

I would suggest many Muslim people would be the same, in that they are not all so devout as to follow everything an old book written a long time ago says to do.

Runner, the way you spit your anti-Muslim venom all over this forum, I have no doubt you know exactly how to act "...contrary to the Christian faith".

runner,

"Yvonne you are intelligent enough to know this doctor was acting contrary to the Christian faith..."

What about Scotty Morrison....now giving Cambodia (one of the world's poorest countries and most corrupt regimes) $40 million to take a handful of refugees...and swilling a little champagne to sign the deal.

Do you reckon Jesus would have acted thus, runner.

Morrison is a Christian - who appears to get his jollies from instituting the most diabolical of psychological tortures on desperate people fleeing all kinds of horrors - have you any criticism of him?

(and spare me the guff of all the lives he's supposedly saved - I'm interested in the lives he's presently torturing)

The western apologist Amy McQuire, cited by Foxy [1], deplores the wave of Islamophobia in Australia following the massacre for Allah of many thousands in the Middle East by Moslems following to the letter the call of the Koran [2].

In the 1930s there was a fair bit of Naziphobia about too. Then great shame is that there wasn’t nearly enough. Both Australia and Britain had pro-Nazi governments seeking accommodation with Nazism, the death cult of the day. With more Naziphobia like Mr Churchill’s the Nazi march into the Rhineland would have been treated as crossing a red line.

When there is a deadly and sustained attack on the human rights people have struggled for hundreds of years to achieve, then the source of the attack is a deadly enemy and needs to be treated as such. The voices of the appeasers of the Nazis in the1930s and the voices of the western apologists for Islam today are the sources.

When Germans in their hundreds of thousands were Seig Heiling their Führer in the streets of German cities and their appeasers were speaking through Fifth Columns and "useful idiots" in their targeted countries including Australia it was time to brush aside the idea that Mein Kampf was a message of peace and confront Nazism as the enemy it was (and is!). The same applies to Islam and the Amy McQuires today.

[1] http://newmatilda.com/2014/09/23/Islamophobia-australias-newest-national-sport
[2] Western apologists clinging to the sugar coating should go to http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm to see a verse by verse analysis of the true message of the Koran. If confused, see [3]
[3] http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2008/09/definition-of-abrogation.htm

"Then great shame" should be "The great shame"

Foxy,

Just where did I call you names or personally attack you?