Yes, Paul, it's all so complicated. It's easier to fiddle than to put out the flames, as Nero might have claimed, if only violins had been invented by then.

Yes, some struggles don't fit into convenient categories. But some do: I wonder how many people ISIS killed, beheaded, shot, captured and raped on that lovely, sweet International Day of Peace ? Oh, would that they didn't, how nasty all war is, where's my hanky ? But they did.

Wars launched by aggressors force their victims to take sides. They can't all piss off to a safe country, like Benjamin Britten and W. H. Auden and Christopher Isherwood and Gracie Fields did during the Second World War. Most people left behind have to make hard choices. Fight or die ? It's not quite so 'relative' for the poor b@stards in the thick of it.

So, sooner or later, people with courage on this thread have to make up their minds, whether or not all wars are so nasty and bad and oh ! so awful, that people shouldn't ever fight back, that makes them as bad as the aggressor - or people MUST fight back against an aggressor. Or die.

Your choice, Paul. Are there, or are there not, 'just' wars and 'unjust' wars ?

Joe