Foxy sweetie, I'm afraid I have to return your words to you.

I will say to the smarter ones here your words, "Sadly I think we're probably wasting our time in our attempts to get through to some people. Still I guess we have to try for the sake of decency".

You may have noticed I have given up posting on these subjects. If I were still posting I would have to say that it is your & the other ladies inability to see the facts that will ultimately result in harm to my grand kids & indeed to your own grand kids.

I can see it is a waste of time talking to you ladies, so I won't bother.

Hasbeen,
I can't recall when I started to post on OLO but it has been quite a while. I do know that I was opposed to multiculturalism right from the time Grassby first voiced the proposal. I also recall voicing strong opinion about the 'illegals' and high immigration very early on.

You are correct in that no amount of logic and common sense will not alter the minds of some people, especially those that disregard facts and whose opinions are based on ideology. Their support for the illegals and global warming is, in fact, religion for them.

However, you will be sorely missed if you stop posting. I look forward to your posts as I do those of O sung Wu and a few others. Do you remember Yabby, he also posted common sense. I have learnt a lot from Ludwig about over population and immigration.

It is worth noting that many more people read these pages than post here and no doubt they discuss topical items with their friends and workmates, so your opinions may reach far more than you think.

That is why I keep posting on the subjects that interest me. As well it is worth knowing what those that may be opposed to your views are saying. So I hope you will just keep posting, I think OLO needs posters like you that have varied and practical life experiences to base opinions on.

wasting our time in our attempts to get through to some people.
Foxy,
You're a real puzzle. You can see the problem, you can see what should be done about it yet you choose to continue being part of the problem. Talk about compex !

@Foxy, Tuesday, 19 August 2014 8:15:04 PM,

Your second para is a copy and paste from one of those 'independents' you follow.

It is absolute cr@p. In any event its author was sinking the slipper into the US after 9/11. How sad is that?

BTW Foxy, didn't you dismiss another poster's quote from a very legitimate source, a Harvard Professor I recall, because you claimed he was American? But here you are, doing the same and going a leap further, cherry-picking and applying the words entirely out of the original context.

You have the audacity to lecture others (and often) on how to conduct a debate.

Hasbeen,
Thinking about it, I recall you relating your knowledge of sailing to me and others at the time Jessica Watson was on her round the world voyage. Never been on a sailing boat and only a few times on a powered vessel, your information was a great help for me in understanding the terminology that was being used on her voyage. For example, I did not know what a 'knockdown' meant until you enlightened me.

I have also enjoyed learning about your other life experiences.

Hello,

I'm now starting to notice a number of people who seem to 'keep complaining'.

The matter about 'political comments' and 'selling a message' in general was discussed on radio today.

This included how some will refer to homelessness.... but provide not even a basic solution, youth suicide.... but provide no basic solution.... unemployment - but provide no basic solution..... education improvements..... but of course no solution..... I could go on, and on, and on.....

OR people on this page and in Australia can be PRO-ACTIVE and start working together more towards coming to some good SOLUTIONS that involve the community and all levels of government.

Or we can keep complaining..... complaining..... complaining...... until we are all exhausted or even possibly DEAD. Now that's not good.