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You are deluding yourself, Hasbeen's prediction for 50 years is most likely. Many groups of immigrants bring their hatreds with them and it will get worse as their numbers build. Do not ignore the conflict between ethnic groups, like the Croats and Serbs, Sri Lankans and the sunni and Shia muslims. Add to that the conflict between groups of African refugees and there is every possibility of a violent society where some areas are 'out of bounds' or enter at your own risk.

Ludwig has the right idea, we have to reduce immigration drastically and we should start by denying immigration to those groups that have shown us they will not integrate and hold our society and laws in contempt. It is ridiculous to keep importing people that bring their hatred of others with them and hate us as well. That is simply seeking trouble.

I would like nothing more than for my great grand kids to exist in a cohesive community, irrespective of colour or creed. But if we keep on as is that is getting less and less likely.

Ludwig, you and I agree on the imperative that to reach a desirable and sustainable level in the future changes to the basic structure of the Australian society are most necessary. Much of what we do today is wasteful and opportunistic, with all being rather short sighted with no sustainable plan in place to accommodate tomorrows generations.

The 2013 Sustainable Australia Report by the National Sustainability Council for the Australian Government makes for interesting reading. Here is a link to a 11 page reduced version of that report.

http://www.environment.gov.au/system/files/resources/e55f5f00-b5ed-4a77-b977-da3764da72e3/files/sustainable-australia-report-2013-summary.pdf

Vision for Australia, the difference between a plan and a dream, is money, and we just ain't got any. Not any more, that's for sure.

So may I suggest that the very first order of business on your agenda is for a more fairer, efficient tax system, because the one we have is both too easily manipulated, and no longer adequate in supplying for our needs.

Rehctub, another reason why we have no money is our long-standing absurdly high immigration rate.

This has created an enormous demand for ever-more basic infrastructure and services, which MUST be provided.

New houses, roads, electricity and water infrastructure, health and education infrastructure, shops, etc, etc, need to be built at a very rapid rate just keep up the basics for the very rapid rate of population growth.

Isn’t it fascinating how all of this stuff gets included in GDP, which indicates that our economy is doing really well because economic activity is growing at a rapid rate…. and yet it is all NEUTRAL in terms of real meaningful improvements for our overall society and quality of life.

And the pressure that this population growth places on existing infrastructure and services, environment and resource base, makes it all considerably negative as far as overall economics are concerned.

We need a fairer and more efficient tax system. But more importantly than that, we need to make government INDEPENDENT of big business pressure which demands high immigration for totally vested-interest profit-driven motives, and give it the power to actually develop a real stable-population sustainability-based vision for Australia.

Yes Ludwig, the current immigration policy simply allows for to many passengers not just active participating tax payers.

My opinion is that if you wish to immigrate, you MUST have something to offer, otherwise we don't have the funds to provide for you. It truly is that simple.

Our loose immigration conditions is why so many come here, because not only can they have plenty of kids, but the know someone else will pay for them.

As for immigration, of any kind, I'm for zero, at least until we can turn things around again, for how ever long that takes.

You will never learn, will you Ludwig.

>>Isn’t it fascinating how all of this stuff gets included in GDP, which indicates that our economy is doing really well because economic activity is growing at a rapid rate…. and yet it is all NEUTRAL in terms of real meaningful improvements for our overall society and quality of life.<<

In fact, I don't think you actually want to learn.

You make up your mind, like some kind of neanderthal radio shock-jock, and refuse to listen to any voice apart from your own. After hundreds of posts on the GDP thread, you still haven't understood even the simplest of its concepts, as you demonstrate here. After hundreds of posts on the Rolf Harris thread, you still believe that he should only have been slapped on the wrist for his despicable behaviour.

You truly are a sad piece of work.