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Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 29 July 2014 1:09:45 AM
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Hi Steele, the problems we here in Australia have yet to realise is the fact the ADF is NOT addressing the issues of PTSD and associated mental/physical manifestations in returning servicepersons.
As a former soldier with 'peacetime' service 1977 - 1988 in the ARA, and more recently Reserve service, it dismays me greatly to see the condition most returning from the "Sand Pit" are left to e.g. Self medication via alcohol and other readily available substances. I myself entered the military at the age of 16yrs to gain an apprenticeship. In 1977, many of my NCO's, Warrant Officers and Commissioned Officers were only recently returned from the Vietnam conflict and were obviously dealing with many demons. In seeing the 2 films you linked here on OLO, it brought back memories of my Carter Staff at Balcombe and other places subsequent to there. Our Platoon Sergeant in my first year, - who was a Scot, was an obvious psychopath as exhibited by his physical abuse towards some of my fellow apprentices. Were any of these men guilty of "War Crimes" in the true sense of it...I cannot say, but I do know that listening to their stories, some may well have seen, or been witness to, the unpleasant nature of men in war. In later years I have witnessed, whilst working as a civilian contractor on ADF bases, the marked changes in some ADF members who had been to Iraq & Afghanistan. One particular incident that stays vivid is an older man relating to me what he witnessed in Iraq, and was unable to prevent because his "superior officer" had stepped in and removed him from the scene. The full ramifications of this and countless other witnesses to unspeakable acts (from both sides of the combat) will only become evident as time erodes their minds, as some traumatic event unhinges their tenuous control over whatever is inside. I pray that somewhere the people who know what happened, come to their senses, and organise the needed care for those who have served their country, but are discarded once out of uniform. Posted by Albie Manton in Darwin, Tuesday, 29 July 2014 11:00:03 AM
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@Steele,
<<It is again a compelling work with themes that are so very topical today. Iraq, Afghanistan, Gaza are all seen in a different light after watching Winter Soldier>> How so Steele, please tell us more? Posted by SPQR, Tuesday, 29 July 2014 2:10:11 PM
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Dear Albie Manton in Darwin,
Thank you for your input. You are completely correct in saying we all have a responsibility to take proper care of those we send to kill and maim in our name. By our very nature the act of taking the life of another is difficult and for some impossible. The training of a soldier by definition strips away that reluctance and there are obvious psychological consequences. As Kerry and the documentary points out these desensitised individuals are placed in a situation of intense indoctrination leaving them as often unquestioning tools for those in command and the political elites. It is often only after a period when the previous surrender of heart and mind recedes that the full horror of what they participated in manifests itself with debilitating results. We all know what Timothy McViegh's manifestation was and this from Wikipedia is telling; “Speaking of his experience in Iraq in an interview before his execution ... McVeigh stated he decapitated an Iraqi soldier with cannon fire on his first day in the war and celebrated. He said he later was shocked to be ordered to execute surrendering prisoners...” For me what encapsulates the issues in Winter Soldier and what you have raised is a letter left by another Humvee machine gunner, one who took his own life. Here's a part; “The simple truth is this: During my first deployment, I was made to participate in things, the enormity of which is hard to describe. War crimes, crimes against humanity. Though I did not participate willingly, and made what I thought was my best effort to stop these events, there are some things that a person simply can not come back from. I take some pride in that, actually, as to move on in life after being part of such a thing would be the mark of a sociopath in my mind. These things go far beyond what most are even aware of.” http://gawker.com/i-am-sorry-that-it-has-come-to-this-a-soldiers-last-534538357 Dear SPQR, Watch the documentary and if the answer is not self evident then I am unable to help you. Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 29 July 2014 2:49:57 PM
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C'mon Steele (don't do a Foxy on us) tell us the hidden message?
Posted by SPQR, Tuesday, 29 July 2014 2:52:43 PM
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SPQR, agreeably so the issues are topical, as are the issues of Vietnam Veterans, Korean Veterans, WWII Veterans and not so WWI as they have all but disappeared. The bigger picture issue is that even highly decorated and respected men like John Cantwell (read: Exit Wounds) who are suffering from their experiences. If the government cannot or more likely will not, look after people who served their country, that same country who sent them over to do the dirty work must expect that at some time in the future there will be an accounting.
If you cannot organise adequate health care, de-briefings, deprogramming...whatever, then you must certainly expect events like suicides, murder-suicides, and other acts of crime against the person. Darwin is a hot bed, the rates of crimes against the person prior to ADF population increases in the 1990's were in the region of 12 times higher per capita than in New York at the same period. Post 9-11 and deployments returning with their myriad of issues and we see the same results magnified. It is only the reported cases that get attention, the 1 Brigade padres have their hands full, as does the legal profession. And our government wants to let 35,000 US troops set up shop across the harbour at Mandorah ....wait for the horrors that visited residents of Subic Bay and other Pacific US bases, to land here on our own shores. Posted by Albie Manton in Darwin, Tuesday, 29 July 2014 5:06:50 PM
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The first is titled Small Town Ecstasy and this is a quote from it;
“The filmmakers set out to document the true nature of Ecstasy use in America. In the course of filming they came across the story of one family in rural Northern California.”
I have markedly changed the way I view Ecstasy and the drug scene in general after watching this work. It speaks to the genius of the documentary maker that what they presented was ultimately so compelling.
http://youtu.be/madKm20lEfE
The second work is Winter Soldier, a documentary about the Winter Soldier Investigation held in Detroit in 1971.
From Wikipedia;
“was a media event sponsored by the Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) from January 31, 1971 – February 2, 1971. It was intended to publicize war crimes and atrocities by the United States Armed Forces and their allies in the Vietnam War. The VVAW challenged the morality and conduct of the war by showing the direct relationship between military policies and war crimes in Vietnam. The three-day gathering of 109 veterans and 16 civilians took place in Detroit, Michigan. Discharged servicemen from each branch of military service, as well as civilian contractors, medical personnel and academics, all gave testimony about war crimes they had committed or witnessed during the years of 1963–1970.”
http://youtu.be/Kj8qYd68rxE
This was riveting stuff and shone a light into places that most of us try to keep at bay, the potential of every human to act in an unspeakable manner given the right circumstances (and training). It lead to me watching John Kerry testifying at a congressional hearing and giving one of the most impressive speeches one could wish to hear.
http://youtu.be/ucY7JOfg6G4
It is again a compelling work with themes that are so very topical today. Iraq, Afghanistan, Gaza are all seen in a different light after watching Winter Soldier.
I commend both works for the consideration of OLOers and ask any others who are drawn to online documentaries to nominate, if they are so inclined, those they found most powerful.