Back in early March I posted a thread titled 'Jesus, Dinosaurs and Access Ministries' regarding religion in our state/secular schooling system. Here are a couple of the points I raised;

“my concern is that they are being left in classrooms with volunteers who have done as little as 6 hours study and who can come from creationist backgrounds.'

And;

“Ultimately primary school years are formative for our children so exposing them to possible anti-science and anti-tolerant views are risks that should not be taken lightly.”

After some pretty intense lobbying from a whole range of really good people another great result is being enacted in Victoria today with further tightening of the rules via a ministerial direction;

“requirements regarding the provision of Special Religious Instruction with which schools must comply from 14 July 2014'
http://www.education.vic.gov.au/school/principals/spag/curriculum/pages/religious.aspx

It's far more prescriptive for instance it codifies the requirement that the students must, through their parents, opt in rather than have to opt out and lack of parental permission is automatically taken as opting out. Other changes include cracking down on 'grooming' via presents and not leaving the children unattended with the religious instructors. Also it gives the principal a lot more discretion regarding offering SRI classes.
http://www.education.vic.gov.au/Documents/about/department/legislation/md141.pdf

Part of my extended family are volunteer SRI instructors and at a gathering last week they were bemoaning the changes. I had not relayed the extent of my activism but stated I agreed with the new rules especially in light of an incident with a school in SW Victoria where year 6 students were given material portraying homosexuality as a sin and advising gay students seek counselling.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-23/biblezine-complaint-sparks-probe-into-religious-educator/5277766

In a riveting interview Sunday night Ian Thorpe 'came out' stating school yard pressure first drove him to lie about his sexuality and this in turn fuelled his depression and drinking which had such a dramatic impact on his life. The thought that the next 'Thorpedo' may have been at the Torquay school and subject to such material is sobering but thankfully these rules have dramatically lessened the chances of it happening again.

A good day.

SteeleRedux,

I've posted this on the forum before , but it's always a fascinating read. Did you ever read ACCESS Ministry's head Evonne Paddison's speech to Anglican Evangelical Fellowship in 2008?

http://www.scribd.com/doc/55338278/ACCESS-Ministry-s-head-Evonne-Paddison-s-speech-to-Anglican-Evangelical-Fellowship

Titled "Making Disciples in Every Generation"

Scroll down to highlighted areas for gems such as:

"In Australia we have a God-given open door to children and young people with the Gospel, our federal and state governments allow us to take the Christian faith into our schools and share it. We need to go an make disciples..."

"I believe that this is the greatest mission field we have in Australia: our children and our students. Our greatest field for disciple making."

"...but we must ask how much of that ministry is actually resulting in Christian conversion and discipleship growing and resulting in church growth?"

"We need missional attitudes, clear theological framework and intentional goals to impact on the lives of students and a clear biblical view of discipleship."

"There are 3.5 million students in Australia, not a bad mission field is it?"

(Keep scrolling, there's more)

What disgrace that you could link the choice of Thorpe to religious education in schools. His peers and reports in the media caused confusion on who he was, it was not RE in schools. He had expressed at one stage he wanted to marry and have a family, but with constant media reports that he was thought to be homosexual was just as influential in his decision. I say ban media reports that are the impressions of a reporter. That would close all women's gossip magazines. N.S.W. schools have a set curriculum.

Really Josephus?
You actually believe that media reports that Thorpe may be gay were part of the reason he is gay?

What rubbish.
I have absolutely no doubt that we are born with what sexuality we are, and no amount of praying will change that.

Religious 'chaplains' have no place in public schools.
Kids can get a more balanced counselling help from trained counsellors, religious or not...

fORGIVE ME/IM SEEING AN INVERSION...HERE OF THE ROLF HARRAS THREAD

ONly this is one of th\ose the media darlings love

i seem to recall but vaugly a FEW EVENTS LAST YEAR
QUickly huhed over caue the poor boy is sick in the HEAD

NOW HE NEEDS A SUPORT BAE TO REBUild his cred
and gay is the strongest lobby there IS
TWO INCOMES NO KIDS[THE GUYS GOING into politics]

when will you realise the media fills your minds with red herrings

star drawing power/he HAD HUGE SPONCESHIPS BUT WAS REVEALED TO BE A DIKK
NOW HE RETURNS//A huge media event[got every one talking

DONT PICK ON THE POOR RITCH GAY BOY~!
dont worry about THE JEWS JKILINGS/HERE TALK ABOUT HOMOS
THATS ALLWAYS A RIGHT READY TOPIC

SEXUAL DEVIATION
looK i got nuthing against gays
bt he was poluted as a child/we know what that means
now you love him/well take your young kiDS AND TAKE THEM SWIMMING

YOU seen the standS ARE TINY
THE CLICHE IS HUGE[HOW MANY HANGER ONS FOLLOW THE SWIM TEAM OF KIDS ARROUND?

please think people
love hatelove HQATE LOVE HATE

WHY An i feelng their gods or demnons
we ALL GOT FEET OF CLAY[STOP TALKING GAY/LIKE THE HOLLOCAUST/THATS HAD ITS DAY

[media mANIPULATORS SPINNING go away..
we havnt lEFT THE DAYS OF ROME
AMUSE THE SRFS MAKE THEM FEEL GRATITUDE

here is how it plays out in hell..

Chapter VII In Hell. The City of Hate (Rome) ............. 98
Chapter VLLI The Emperor. A Theater In Hell ............. 100
http://www.ghostcircle.com/ebooks/JSM_Ward%20-%20Gone_West.pdf

ANYHOW IdOLS HAVE FEAT OF CLAY
WE CREATE/THESE GOD-HEADS//ONLY LO0KING FOR A BIG PAY-DAY

WAKE UP PEOPLE
BE/YOUR OWN GOD

Homosexuality IS a sin, and is against the Law of God.

Lev 18:22 "you shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female. It is an abomination".

1Cor 6:9-10 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the Kingdom of God. Do not be deceived, neither idolaters, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals shall inherit the Kingdom of God".

reflux-DEducts..you big error is the heading dont match the question

i for one/NEED GUIDENCE/RE THE REAL QUESTION
and the real question is the gat dude/named;first

BUT THEN JOINED INTO BIASED secular bigotry blaming religion
in a presumed fIGHT/BETWEEN GOD AND YOU

here is HOW I SEE IT[HE was,.. a cute kid[no doUDT ONE DAY HE WILL HONESTLY SAY HOW YOUNG/BUT IT WAS CLEARLY A MAN[VERY GOOD..to good cause he never dared looK AT A WOMAN..

POINT BEING HE WAS coatched/groomed from an early age
you no doudt can proove t wa a priet who corrupted his senSE OF MORALITY?

HIS GENES ARE WORTH SPREADIng far and wide[upon fertILE GROUND /NOT PILES OF MURDE RIDDEN ROCKERY]..him being a gay makes him human moCKERY..[IE I HAVE this godgiven gift/big feet/body LENGTH/A GIANT ANOUng men/THE BEST GENES UNITED IN HIM/and he sows his seed into sewers systems..

THATS GOT NOUGHT TO DO WITH CHURCH

<<..“my concern is that they are being left in classrooms with volunteers>>

yes/so professing KIDDY FIDDLERS ARE BETTER?

<<..who have done as little as 6 hours study>>

MATE/YOU WOULD BE AMSED AT HOW DILIGENTLY THESe kiddy fiddlers find goOD REASON/to acces their observation and HOPED FOR PERVESIONS

<<..and who can come from creationist backgrounds.>>

plEASE..AFFIRM OR RETRACT THIS BORINg implore
prove it/or retract it.
'

<<>.anti-science and anti-tolerant views..are risks that should not be taken lightly.”>>

unlesS the science isnt what it appears to be?
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6196&page=8

<<>further tightening of the rules..via a ministerial direction;
.. for instance it codifies the requirement that the students must, through their parents,..opt in rather than have to opt out..>>

..MUST UNDER LAW MEANS MAY
BU ONLY THE RICH/LAWYERS MAKE THIs lie go away

2bCTD

Dear SteeleRedux,

I've stated in the past that religious instruction
does not belong in public schools. If people want religious
instruction for their children - send them to
religious schools.

Ian Thorpe is a public figure and an
outrageously popular one - and his "coming out"
is a very positive step, regardless of why he didn't do it
earlier. This will make it easier for those still
struggling to come to terms with who they are and where
they fit in this world.

Perhaps the day will eventually come when we no longer have to
discuss the fears of reprisal and a person's individual human
qualities, rather than their sexual orientation or
biological sex, will be that person's worth and achievement.

<<>.and lack of parental permission.is automatically taken as opting out. ..>>

makes sense
BUT/ORALLY/Verbally in writing or just by uninformed concent[sign hers\/creates insdemnity for any NEGLIGENCE

YOU MADE MY BOY GAY*[NOPE YOU SIGNED THIS..NOW GO away]

M<<>.Other changes include cracking down on..>>ut all tHE OTHER STUFF IS JUST FINE[OK NO PRESENTS...i will END YOU THIS BAG OF MONEY[BUT I WANT MY BAG BACK;AT SOME FUTURE TIME

HERE IS A CAR/IM NOT GIVING IT TO YOU
BUT ITS FREE JUST SIGN HERE

[YOUR SIG*NATURE-THE MARK OF THE BEAST.

<<>'grooming' via presents and not leaving the children unattended with the religious instructors.>>

how about THE OTHER SWIMING COATCH PERVERTS?
girlguide masters and teachers/and anyone working near kids
lurking;oppERTUINISTS?

[RECALL THis is about thorpO>
DE HOMO-SApIEN THAT WENT Homo?

<<..The thought that the next 'Thorpedo' may have been a>>

?..WELL AND TRuely-groomeD FUTURE
PERVERsion CONTACT POINT?

gay/isnt a choice..iS A CALL FOR THOSE CALLED TO EARLY

im reminded that curiosity is natural IN CHILDREN
BOYS LOOK MORE INTRESTING.. TO OTHER YONG BOYS..THAN GIRLS WHO HAVE NOTHIng....[no lumput then they go lumpy ;the ormal body gets jumpy[uless he acclimatised to near naKID GIRLS LONG AGO

LOST HIS CURIOSITYs]

God it must be dreadful to be so desperate for attention & celebrity that you have to "come out" in international media to get a bit.

I knew a few Olympians. One multi gold lady could not accept a bloke less famous than her. None of those wanted her, & she could not handle a bloke less than her. It was sad to see.

Thorpey, you were someone once, now you are just another hasbeen. Get over it, or your future life will be nothing but miserable.

As for religion, may god help us.

I heard he got paid $400,000 for that so called "coming out" on TV. Says it all. Laughable.

Dear Hasbeen,

It may be wishful thinking on your part.

However, -

Thorpie's agent
(the same one as Parkinson's)
got Thorpie a $500,000 deal for that interview,
plus there's a career waiting for him as a sport's
commentator.

Thorpie isn't about to fade away any time soon.

Dear Lester,

Yes. Thorpie can laugh all the way to the
Bank.

That's right Foxy. It's all about the $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $. The modus operandi is .. pretend your gay (especially if there's lot of rumours about it), "come out" on TV in a big interview, then collect the $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $. He knows how to work the system well.

least/we forget..<<..He knows how to work the system well.>>

no leSTER..ITS THAT THE SYSTEM....is run by pedophiles
'good' things ..'just happen''..you get that job oppertuinity[innthe netwORK]
YOUR IN WITH THE INCROWD/THE NAMES
he has some great people behind him
[FIRMLY BEHIND HIM IM TOLD/WHO HAVE HIM IN THEIR POCKET

HES THEIR BOY
JUST LIKE ROLF HARRAS WAS IN HIS DAY

BUT rolf lost his charm
AND WA SACRIFISED O\UPONN THE ALTERS AND WE NEED THE NEXT FAulse god

sitting there with the BOYS IN SHORTS TAKLKNG SPORTS AND NAUGHTY THOUGHTS AND DEfENDING THE OFFENCES OF HIS FELLOW SPORTS RORTERS

the boys club
or the toyboys rub up ya mates club club?
RUBA DUB DRAB..ARNT THESE new boys just fab*..WATCH EM score
its like their on speed/just like in the days of GORE[ROME]

Dear Lester,

The pretence is in your mind.

It was Thorpie's agent that organised
the deal for him based on his popularity
and fame. Thorpie doesn't
have to "pretend." It wasn't "pretence" that
won him all those medals and as a result "fame,"
and popularity.

And there's no "retence" in his being gay!

Get over it! Thorpie has!

lester/jester..<<>.Homosexuality IS a sin,>>

Yes its a biblical and SOCIETY SIN
[FOR GOOD REASON];..the tribes-procreation.]

but\we got a life-gift/from god
WE ARE OBLIGED TO PASS IT ON.. JUST'AS WE RECIEVED IT From the time of a'damm/and disbeli'eve..eve*

<<..and is against the Law of God.>>

NO GOD CARES ONLY THAT WE LOVE
its the pain/god resISTS..GOOD LOVE IS OF GOD
BAD LVE IS OF MEN RESORTING TO BEast[its to our shame/not gods greater glory/dirty material and sordy[please orgive my my sinning]

but one can only find good reason to live to love
that love=of hate isnt true love/god loves good/grace/mercy/light

he has no isue with morals[knowing our lifes energies are eternal[sure one layer oF RELITY PEALS OFF/BUT LIKE A BUTTERFLY/THE NEW BETTER YOU EERGES EVEBTUALLY[Each little sin is like a TISSUE OF UNREALITY OBSUring true reality

<<Lev 18:22 "you shall not lie with a male
as one lies..with a female.>>

YES lovers face to face
haers back to back[spooning is for comforting]

<<..It is an abomination".>>

I Agree/its a one way street.
we either spew our bile out of one end or the other/but
TRUE EVIL WILL ONLY HEAD DOWNARDS..THUS EXCREEting via our unclean mouths[as jesus said//its not wHAT MAN PUTS IN BUT THAT WHICH ISSUES FORTH FROM]

<<..1Cor 6:9-10 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the Kingdom of God.>.

YES AS WE GAVE WE BEGET
IN THE END WE ALL GET EQUal wages [grace]

<<..Do not be deceived,neither idol*aters, nor feminate>>[SLAVES], <<..nor homosexuals..shall inherit the Kingdom of God".>>

FOR THEIR CLAIM EXPIRES WITH THEIR GENES
HOMO dont breed with homo
just AS HuMAN CAME FROM SOW RAPED BY APe
VIA LIFE THROUGH LUST..INTO human..into humane

ahhh men

When everyone is telling the World you are gay because you are a sensitive boy you begin to believe in your destiny. Homosexuality! Funny thing it happens the opposite to girls tell them they are butch and they turn out lesbian. Social conditioning, not genetic as both are very capable of having children.

Foxy chortles that it is a PR agent's marketing stunt - for a fading celebrity - and he will gain $$ from it.

Tacky.

In that case a smarter PR move might have been to line up 'Thorpie' up for a claimed affair with that other fading wannba-be celeb, the "Where the bloody hell are you" woman. She was already taken? OK there is always that Brit slapper, now that the also-faded celeb bowler has upped his stumps.

Amazing how Thorpe's sad life-long depression, well covered in the interview, has gained such sparse attention. Gay is PC and has set off the usual headline hunters, but chronic depression is forever on the outer unfortunately.

Thank you all for your contributions.

Dear Poirot,

I had read it thank you and one of the most telling concessions for me was this;

“Never before have we had such an open access, such as open to door. Christians from other countries envy our opportunities, they can't believe we have this situation.”

Dear Josephus,

My obvious point is that school yard homophobia being confirmation, reinforced and made more acceptable by religious dogma and prejudice from a so called 'authority' within the school should be utterly unacceptable in our state schools.

Dear Suseonline,

Special Religious Instructors are volunteers with very little training and should be regarded in a different light to the chaplaincy program. That is not to say I don't have issues with both especially after Abbott has taken away funding for secular counselors.

Dear Foxy,

I too hope for that day but it will not come without struggle and vigilance. Hopefully the dramatic drop in numbers taking SRI classes is a sign that assaults on our secularism are being diffused.

The conversation with my SRI instructor relations was interesting. The 'we are being persecuted' line was trotted out as was 'the gays are everywhere now'. But it was in touting 'while we regard gays as sinners we still love them' that things got interesting.

The discussion turned to the story of Jesus and the woman about to be stoned for adultery. This was raised as a call from Jesus to be merciful and to attempt to save the sinner. I said they were entirely missing the message. To me Jesus stared down a bigoted mob, pricked their righteousness, had them drop their stones and sent them home. The cartoon book from Access Ministries at the Torquay State School was one such stone, hopefully now to never threaten our state school children again.

I would like to think higher of Thorpe, that after hounding by the 'outers' of celebrities' private lives, (particularly assumed gay lives and gay activists have been cruel and relentless in that), that Thorpe has tried to clear the decks to get on with his recovery and life.

I would much rather the truth was told: the story of this young man's courageous fight against the Black Dog, which is so misunderstood and even negatively stereotyped (largely thanks to the tabloid media) that sufferers do not know who to turn to for help and when they do, they find so little there to help.

I would not say that the pursuit of Thorpe's 'outing' by gay activists would have helped his depression and it could have ended dreadfully.

Onya, Thorpie and I hope there is some ambassadorial work you might do on behalf of depression sufferers. That is if only the gay activists and headline hunting politicians can stay out of your face and not convert it all into their secondary gain.

REDXT~UBSURDUMB..<<..But it was in touting 'while we regard gays as sinners we still love them' that things got interesting.
..The discussion turned to the story of Jesus and the woman about to be stoned for adultery. This was raised as a call from Jesus to be merciful and to attempt to save the sinner.>>

OH DEAR ANOTHER GODLESS HEATHEN SAYINGWHAT JESUS SAID
BUT PLEASE INFORM THE IGNORANT HE SAID [HE SPAKE]..NOT ONE WORD[HE DREW IN THE DIRST

THIS IS WHAT HE WROTE
'THOU..SHALT..NOT/Murder*

he didnt need say a thing
just wROTE THE LAW IN THE DIRT

HEATHEN
DONT TELL JUNK YA GOT WRTOng[ya nong]

IF ITS OF GOPD ITS GOOD GRACE MERCY
ANYTHing else is of his creation/BUT I FORGET/THIS WAS THE ATHEOST THOrPIES TORPEDO in his speedo thread

<<>

<<. I said they were entirely missing the message. To me Jesus stared down a bigoted mob, pricked their righteousness, had them drop their stones and sent them home.>>

LOLADMITTEDLY HE DOTH QUOTE A SOURCE ..YOUR HUM0UR*

<<...The cartoon book from Access Ministries at the Torquay State School was one such stone, hopefully now to never threaten our state school children again.*>>

YES HE FILLED THYNE MIND WITH CCCCC RAP.
[pap with a crrr...and a sharp fairy-slap~]

take that back

Lester1,>>"come out" on TV in a big interview, then collect the $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $. He knows how to work the system well. <<

With that envy driven comment you infer that Thorpies lifestyle is a lottery win of some description Lester old bean.

He spent two decades of his life getting up before the sun rose and then trained for hours and hours and hours.....he also payed for his status by forfeiting his opportunity “be a teen.”

If he had not won and gained a “status” no one would pay him a cracker for his efforts.....yeah your a bit tough on him Lester.

Re you faggoty bible quotes....it is not a lifestyle choice...it’s a gift from your god who has given the faggots a montain thrice as steep as ours to climb. Could anyone image the point in maturity where you realise you are homosexual...immediately you have become a member of a minority group persecuted as extensively as the Jews have been.

You got no clue sport...no offense.

Lift the sights guys. The elephant in the room is Ian Thorpe's struggle with depression.

"Ian Thorpe
November 22, 2012 ·
Depression is a strange and confusing thing. You may think you have it you may think you don’t. The truth is we are all susceptible to the hormonal imbalances that cause it; just on differing scales and in differing severity. I took the painful leap to open up in my book and tell some of my most difficult secrets. Why? Because I want to show that this condition is commonplace and quite often hidden from friends and family. Don’t hide it. Communicate with others, whether that is a doctor, a friend or a family member; ideally all three. Believe it is ok. You are completely normal, don’t think you are not. The whole world is waiting out there for you to have a great and fulfilling life, don’t let this manageable and beatable “thing” hold you back. Reach out and you will be a stronger and better person for it."
https://www.facebook.com/IanThorpeOfficial/posts/389255164487795

It is shameful that Ian Thorpe's interview is being converted into publicity and secondary gain for headline-hunting gay pride activists and shabby political point scoring.

I thought I had a handle on what depression was until it evidenced in someone close to me.

http://www.beyondblue.org.au/the-facts/depression/signs-and-symptoms

I know posting a thread tying more than one issue can be challenging for some, even threatening, but I have enough confidence in the majority of OLOers being able to deal with that modicum of complexity that I'm hardly going to resile from doing so.

To the other less fortunate I make the point at no time did I say homophobia caused Thorpe's depression but it most certainly 'fuelled' it.

When asked by Parkinson if hiding his sexuality had caused his depression he replied “I know that it hasn’t helped.”

And he was quite explicit when the lie first started;

Quote

Michael Parkinson: What decided you to come out, now?

Ian Thorpe: Umm, well I’ve wanted to for some time. But I couldn’t, I didn’t feel as though I could. You know, the problem was I was asked at such a young age about my sexuality and you know I went to an all boys school. And I hate that it’s called an accusation because it isn’t a negative thing but this is usually the terminology we use. But I went to an all boys school so if you’re accused of being gay, the first answer is ‘no’, and you get ready for a fight! This is what happens, and I didn’t know at this age, I’m too young. And so the answer was no. Then, I carried this, the next way I answered this was telling people that I thought it was inappropriate to be asking a child such kind of questions.

Michael Parkinson: That’s certainly true.

Ian Thorpe: And also that it’s not appropriate for that question to be asked of anyone. But what happened was I felt the lie had become so big that I didn’t want people to question my integrity. And, a little bit of ego comes into this. I didn’t want people to question that, have I lied about everything?

End Quote

Cont..

Cont..
As to the pathetic reasoning it was somehow pressure from the 'Gay lobby' that mostly impacted on him that is patently untrue.

Again from the interview;

Quote

Michael Parkinson: Thinking back over your life now, reflecting on all the reasons why you didn’t come out before now, was there one main reason that dissuaded you from being frank?

Ian Thorpe: Not one main reason, but you hear things. I heard a lot of homophobic kind of things, I mean I was subjected to homophobic kind of insults as well.

Michael Parkinson: -where? An example?

Ian Thorpe: Well, people in the street would yell out. They’d call me a faggot or whatever else y’know a poof for doing this

End quote.

Using Thorpe's homosexuality to beat up on gay people is inane, illogical and of itself screams of entrenched homophobia.

Hi all...Foxy. We all need to make money and how He/She sits with it all,is anyone guess.

Tally

yep Tiger was born an adulterer and Rolf was born with a bent towards young girls. Its not their choice.

Dear runner,

Actually, when it comes to children - adults
do have a choice when it comes to abusing
them sexually. Doesn't your God teach you that?
Or do you also justify the cover-ups, the
protection of abusive clergy and the refusal to admit
egregious mistakes by the churches?

What happens between consenting adults is one thing
but the sexual abuse of children by an adult - is
horrenduous and intolerable.

reflux re-quote..<<..Michael Parkinson:..What
decided you..to..*come out,..now?>>..[TIMMING=EVRYTHING]

<<..Ian Thorpe:..Umm,..well..I’ve wanted to
....for..some time...*But..I couldn’t,..I..didn’t feel..as though I could.>>

IE..[I../?\..THOUGHT..I WAS*..BANISHED]?[..
THE INFERENCE..BEING..*HE..'COULDNT'..'THEN'..
but\must now?

the torrid/TORPEDO/IN\SPEEDOES
HAS..AN AFTER-THOUGHT..?

<<..You know,..the problem\..was..I was asked..>>..

BY WHO..[A PRIEST?]..[asked;what?]

<<..at such..a young age..about my sexuality>>..

thats a mild-form/of\testing;reaction
[PRE-GROOMIng..;THE..'JOKE'~TEST*]
[I WAS..:..ONLY..JOKING..GEESH]

<<..and you know*
I went..to an all boys school>>..;}

[AND YA KNOW\What their like..
[soggy biscuite?/and other hazing test's
trial/tribulation[secrets/of\the -old schol-ties.]

[recall army hazing;same/same]
[ask/any old/boy\..;its..a game..[wink]..
then thugs\go gay-bashing..[but we../best/allow
*the girls..lol..to explain/the games..girls]/think\..BOYS-play

toR*predo.*THEN RELEASES

..<<.And..I hate..that/it’s called..an
accusation..because..it isn’t..a negative thing..>>

curious[this is..whats called
forensically..a micro-TRUTH-burst

step-back.<<..but this...is
usually the terminology..*we*..?use.>>

WHAT..WE?

<<..But I went to an all boys school..>>
[wink;ya know..parkie..like you]

<<..so if you’re accused..of being gay,..>>
THOUGHT ABORTED/recalls the coatching..?

<<the first/answer is,,‘no’,..and
you get ready..for a fight!>>[you know/your;going/yo-loose]>>..

<<..This is/what happens,..>>

and this/is how we\fix it..;)
remember to say..?

<<>.and I didn’t know..
<<..[at this age,..I’m too young...And so the\answer..was no.}..

<<.Then,..I carried this,..>>

[OTHER?..which\WERE NOW/..GLOSSING OVER?

<<>.the next way..I answered this..was telling people
that I thought..*it was inappropriate..to be asking....a child such kind of questions.>>

UNSPOKEN?..[BUT..YOU KNOW...KIDDY
FIDDLERS..PARKIE..they/persist..]

<<Michael Parkinson:That’s certainly true.
Ian Thorpe:..And also..>>

REMEMBERING HIS PREP-perp-COACHING...?

..<<>>that it’s not appropriate for/that question
to be asked..of anyone...>>

especially/me?

<<..But what happened..>>

..I WAS Confused
how i felt..?..FEEL[DEPRESSION;isnt..about sex/choices[SYMPTOM]

<<>...was I felt..the lie had become so big
that I didn’t want people to question my integrity.>>

i wanted to be a hero..again

<<..And, a little bit of ego comes into this...>>

but wait/the next bit=key*

<<..I didn’t want people to question
that, have I lied about everything?>>

End Quote
<<..Michael Parkinson:..was there..one main reason>>
YOU/CAN;REVEAL

<<that dissuaded you from being frank?
<<Ian Thorpe:..Not one main reason,..>>

LIKE THE MARFIA/VIA THE BACK CHANNELS
YOUR TOLD...AS HE WAS TOLD..

<<>.I heard a lot..of homophobic kind of things,
I mean..I was subjected..*to..homophobic kind of insults as well.>>

yes the poor child

.<<Michael Parkinson:<<-where? An example?

Ian Thorpe:[EDITED]..They’d call me a faggot..
or whatever else...[>>...ERR..<<.y’know a poof..for doing this..

TRAILS OFF..?
[What's deleted/..there../MID-SENTANCE
\why?

Ian Thorpe has always been as queer as a three dollar note and tons of people knew, I heard about him circa 2005 from a hairdresser/stylist friend of mine, his "coming out" is just a publicity stunt.
C'mon, we don't talk about Allan Jones, Ian Meldrum or Peter Hitchener as "Gay" do we? We didn't talk about Graham Kennedy, John Michael Howson or Bernard King that way because we respected the fact that they kept their private lives private.
Celebrities only "come out" if they're going to get something from it and unfortunately not everyone stands to gain from the exposure, it's a horrible thing to say but don't be surprised if Ian Thorpe attempts or goes through with suicide in the not too distant future due to the pressure of "coming out".
Before any of the LGBTI bigots point out that that paragraph is exactly the reason people don't come out, consider that it would never have been written at all if he'd kept his private life private.

You are a disgrace saying such a thing about suicide JoM, and you have not one iota of care for Thorpe's well being in all your homophobic body.
You should feel ashamed of yourself...

Jay of Melbourne, since when was Alan Jones gay? Who told you that?

Lester1 wrote;

"Jay of Melbourne, since when was Alan Jones gay? Who told you that?"

This is going to be delicious.

Suse,
So facts are now homophobic?
Men are 79% of suicides.
Homosexual men are most likely to attempt suicide between the ages of 22 and 59 and they attempt suicide at three times the rate of other men.
(D'Augelli,Grossman,Hershberger & O'Connell 2001)
There's also a strong co-relation between suicidal ideation in homosexuals and their "coming out" to the world (Hughes 2003), (Paul et al 2002)
Don't be surprised if he does go downhill Suse, Ian Thorpe is quickly going to realise that all the people supporting him today won't be thinking about him at all tomorrow, he's a Twitter trend, nothing more. He's washed up as an athlete, he has described his suffering of the mental problems common to homosexuals and on top of everything else he's now written himself off as "Gay" so his world and his future prospects have just shrunk to a fraction, a sliver of what they might have been if he'd stayed silent.
I didn't make the world, I just report my observations.
Ian Thorpe, you've made a big mistake.

Alan Jones?
LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dj3jrpQzCe0

Or if you prefer the view from the left:
http://www.crikey.com.au/2006/10/23/unmasking-alan-joness-hidden-homosexuality/

I think Lester1 is going to have some bigger issues to deal with than Jones alleged sexual orientation.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/media/sexuality-is-not-a-choice-jones/story-e6frg996-1226241201111?nk=e7671b8d97b4ed719a842f7747e299b7

"Hopefully one day we'll develop a level of sophistication and decency where we're not referring to people according to their colour, their sexuality, their whatever. But while that continues, I have very strong concerns about the damage that this does to people."

R0bert

Yes olo.....show the hate....pool swiming is a hard paddle..you people are so mean...lol

Tally

still keeping tally
tally ho quote,,<<..Yes olo.....show the hate>>

we debate/here\tally
we dont hatE ANY-ONE; MATE

[I GUE THATS THE ROYAL..'WE'[THAT REALLY MEANS ME [I MEAN I EYE ME AM seeing by..[my minds eye]

damm thas a spirit ya carryING

<<>>....pool swiming is a hard paddle..>>

YES I ADMIT/I WAS RIGHT INTO SWINNing
but got leg ulsers from the infected mosquito bite
and to swim in thAT WATER [FISH PEE AND POOP INTO[I HEard not only people [peeple?]..love swimping in it/others actually drink it;or mix IT WITH FOOD DRUGS OR BOOZE

<<>.you people are so mean...lol

Tally..HO OL CHAP
KEEP WELL..god save the queen and cuntry.
[wrath be upon the treasoners who debaed the queens coin[the lonly lawful-tender]...

I don't think that the public were ever interested in Thorpe's sexuality. Thorpe himself admitted after Parky introduced it, that media speculation was at fault, dogging him about his sexuality.

However that in turn, the media speculation, was a direct result of the to-do being deliberately created by gay activists, especially the US-led 'gay pride' activists who were hell-bent on 'outing' suspected gay celebrities (and calling any who criticised that ruthless tactic as closet gays themselves) and the political correctness of the left.

The Greens 'protest party' as Julia Gillard and many others called them, have shamelessly used gay politics as a means to an end, which is to get their headlines, and to cover for their lack of practical policies of course.

There is no doubt whatsoever that gay activists, believing that the end justified the means, have been relentless in pursuing celebrity 'gays' as trophies, violating personal privacy and causing tremendous suffering.

The British Establishment … Paedophiles Everywhere
http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/79139-the-british-establishment-paedophiles-everywhere/

A British newspaper quoted a ‘Buckingham Palace insider’ as saying that Prince Charles ‘was furious that he was never informed about suspicions that Savile was a pervert who preyed on children.’ The ‘insider’ said ‘the Palace have been on to the security services to see why they were not informed’ and the source continued:

The Queen, Philip, Charles and others want to know why no-one picked up a phone to tell them a child abuser was being allowed in royal homes and meeting with senior royals and their families …

What a load of baloney. I’ll tell you why they didn’t pick up the phone -they were already well aware that the royals knew and had done so since paedophile Mountbatten brought Savile into the fold as a child procurer in the 1960s.

GEE WHAT COULD BE WORSE
Hiding it?

http://12160.info/photo/i-murdered-people-for-the-clintons-larry-nichols
http://12160.info/profiles/blogs/israeli-massacres-of-recent-history
http://rinf.com/alt-news/breaking-news/militarized-homeland-security-invasion-town-downloading-indecent-images/
http://investmentwatchblog.com/the-elites-goal-is-unlimited-imperialism-a-police-state-martial-law-francis-boyle/
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=95e_1405443452

gay activists, believing that the end justified the means, have been relentless in pursuing celebrity 'gays' as trophies, violating personal privacy and causing tremendous suffering.
onthebeach,
And we're any different here ? Why are we even having a thread on this, it shows we're no better.
Personally if Thorpie wants to be that way then let him be, thy should leave us of the annoying list.

individual,

Hi there.

Got to agree that Ian Thorpe is being used and abused by activists and political lobbyists who hitch a ride on the coat tails of celebrities.

From what Ian Thorpe has said before and I provided a link, he would prefer the attention to be on depression to help other sufferers. I agree with him.

i agree with our beach buddy
the true issue s his depression from booze...GROWTH/PER-FORMACE MEDS AND PRESCRIBED drugs/CONTACTS AND COATHCHING..[sorry grooming]
..[not that he claims sexually..as a groan-up

really

[i find the pandering to fame especially SICKENING;..AS BAD AS ADULTS MEEting up with your kids at 5 in the morning;to massage their ego*mojo..yep kids meeting strangers in changing rooms..[whats with this obsession youth\sport=A WAY TO SATIFFY PERVERSION

ITS SICK WATCHING AN 8 YEAR-OLD TUMBLE AND LIFT
THIER BUTTS/legs in..THE Air FOR ADULT JUDGES TO SCORE THEIR 'FORM]
[THEIR per0for/trance.

ITS AS BABARIC AS BEAUTY COMPETITION/LOL..FOR BABIES
THESE OBSESSIVE Urges pander to pedophilia..stop encouraging kids to dO SEXY THINGs FOR YOUR adult AMUSEmenT$$

OTB,
We've also seen idiots like Tom Ballard sticking their oar in and saying Thorpe's interview is important for "Gay Youth".
So, a man with mental issues and a drinking problem stemming from his homosexual inclinations is the new LGBTI cause celebre and example to their prospective converts?
Again, what if he kills himself? What effect will that have on young people who are already mentally unstable?
Ian Thorpe isn't a success story, he's in the same category as Gary Ablett Sr and others, a gifted athlete whose personal life we don't talk about, we might recount his deeds, we don't glorify the man.

ROLF HARRASS/SEVILLE//HUSHED UP SECRets/its time you knew

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/79139-the-british-establishment-paedophiles-everywhere/

The revelations about record-breaking paedophile and child procurer Jimmy Savile have exposed the former BBC ‘star entertainer’ as a purveyor of sheer evil on a scale that would challenge any imagination. Here are the cold and shocking numbers according to the police – and these are not nearly the whole story:

450 people of both sexes have made complaints about Savile involving 28 police areas throughout the country and among them are 34 alleged rapes. They spanned a period of 54 years between 1955 and 2009 when Savile was 82. The abuses happened to 23 children and young people on BBC premises and at 14 hospitals and at least one hospice. More than 70 per cent of his victims were under 18 and one as young as eight.

Metropolitan Police Commander Peter Spindler said that Savile’s crimes were ‘vast, predatory and opportunistic’ and he had effectively ‘groomed the nation.’ Sounds good, but personally, I would not trust the Met’s investigation Operation Yewtree to pursue the full truth about Savile any more than I would have trusted him to produce the school nativity.

Spindler added – ludicrously – that Savile used his celebrity to ‘hide in plain sight’. Oh, no, no, no, mate. That will not do. Savile got away with it for 54 years because he was protected by the highest levels of the paedophile-Satanist-controlled British Establishment for whom he was procuring children.

Michael Shrimpton also describes what he says happened to the abducted little girl Madeleine McCann,.. and what he says was the murder of former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook.

I can’t confirm what he says about Madeleine EDIT all of his assumptions about who was behind it all, and certainly not that British Intelligence are the ‘good guys’. But it is very interesting information very much worth hearing.

Click here to listen …

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNelt33QP_8

CAREFULL TRUTH AN MAKE US SICKER
but..WHY?..supreem blackmail-power/over the preverts running this child porn sceme

OUG,
Have you heard the stories about Savile and Peter Sutcliffe ?
This is one "conspiracy theory" which won't go away,the homosexual rings seem to exist in every country:
http://netk.net.au/FamilyMurdersHome.asp
http://conspiraciesnow.com/conspiracy-videos/conspiracy-documentaries/rare-banned-documentary-conspiracy-of-silence-pedophile-med_new/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onj7pLrzJIM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6FKEwjPmHQ

"CAREFULL TRUTH AN MAKE US SICKER".....OUG you sound like a five year old.....but I know your a completed man:)..."damm thas a spirit ya carrying"....well your the religious expert...Rolf and his discussing mind sets had to be taught by someone? P/S...if you want to pick a brain fight....try and pick on someone your own size....Now Thorpedo by the Greens, are classified as human-brings...if not, you right-wings have some explaining to do.

Question....Now who has full media control?

Come on OUG, you can answer it:)

Tally

Oug...The Little black book in times passing's..believed in eyes only...masons under stood this speaking. The balanced thoughts, are in ours not to be moved off in our time of need. Cryptic as it may seem, is what we hold.

Tall