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Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 14 June 2014 1:29:12 PM
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Foxy,
On October 18, 1945, the opening session of the Nuremberg Trial (also known as the International Military Tribunal) began and on November 20, the indictments were read. Though 24 men stood accused, only 21 were at the trial. (Robert Ley had committed suicide before the trial began; Gustav Krupp was considered too frail to stand trial; and Martin Bormann was missing but tried in absentia.) Each of the accused were charged with one or more of the following: Count I: Conspiracy to Wage Aggressive War Count II: Crimes Against Peace Count III: War Crimes Count IV: Crimes Against Humanity Crimes against humanity were defined as: "Murder, extermination, enslavement, deportation, and other inhumane acts committed against any civilian population, before or during the war, or persecutions on political, racial or religious grounds in execution of or in connection with any crime within the jurisdiction of the Tribunal, whether or not in violation of the domestic law of the country where perpetrated". The Western allies had a paper trail for all charges except "extermination" because they did not discover any alleged "extermination" centres, all of the documentation of people being poisoned with common insecticide or diesel exhaust come from evidence supplied by the Soviet Union. All of the charges except mass killings by gassing have some basis in fact, nobody would say otherwise but since you and Rhrosty insist on conflating the crimes of Nazism with the settlement of Australia I'm honour bound to point out that you're wrong, moreover someone who knowingly promotes an idea which is wrong is a liar. So Foxy, I'm asking you to stop lying and stop using Stalinist propaganda to back your lies, it's immoral. Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Saturday, 14 June 2014 2:05:20 PM
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Foxy,
You neglect to mention that the Pilger view of things (it isn't history or fact is it?!) has received - to put it very kindly - very mixed reactions from Aborigines themselves. For example, Warren Mundine, Chair of the Indigenous Advisory Council, has criticised aspects of the John Pilger documentary, Utopia. Mr Mundine said that Australia "is no more racist than anywhere else" and some of the film’s themes are no more than "baseless conspiracy theories". In all of your Googling you didn't find anything like that of course, which says heaps about where you are coming from. Then you draw a parallel with the atrocities carried out by Nazi war criminals, while shamelessly denying that you do so. You, your guru Pilger and others of your Far Left ilk have no solutions. Worse, you are part of the problem because you apparently serve your own secondary agenda, otherwise you would recognise the major work done over decades by the many indigenous and others, that has achieved and is achieving very positive results. Posted by onthebeach, Saturday, 14 June 2014 2:05:42 PM
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Jay, you say <<there were no "stolen" generations>> and go on to link to the Keith Windschuttle, commentary as the proof. Mr Windschuttle draws a rather long bow, firstly citing the film 'The Rabbit Proof Fence' as being the "most influential outlet" for proving the claim that there were stolen generations, that claim in itself is rather questionable. To debunk the claims of stolen generations, Windschuttle calls into question the films portrayal of 'Molly, Gracie and Daisy' be referring to "reporting" by an unnamed wife of a local pastoralist of Molly and Gracie as having sex with the white workers who maintained the rabbit-proof fence. If this reporting was true and if the films producers took artistic license with the truth, and they may well have, on that score and others in the film, that in itself does not disprove the claims of many others not associated with any hit movie that the stolen generations did in fact take place.
By innuendo, calling into question "evidence of gas chambers at Auschwitz" does nothing for you argument. A mass genocide often questioned, but who would take the "evidence" of fanatical ultra right lunatics, people who would also claim Hitler was a good blokey, not me. Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 14 June 2014 3:07:59 PM
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Dear Jay,
The following link may help clarify things for you: http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007271 Now back to the topic ... Here is a link giving a review of John Pilger's film - "Utopia" by an Aboriginal man which is interesting. It's one I cited earlier: http://theconversation.com/review-pilgers-utopia-shows-us-aboriginal-australia-in-2014-21965 And this link is one that sums things up rather nicely: http://www.news.com.au/national/rosalie-kunothmonks-inspires-with-her-speech-i-am-not-the-problem/story-fncynjr2-1226949124486 Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 14 June 2014 3:40:24 PM
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Dear Paul,
The following link on Mr Windshuttle may be of interest: http://www.utas.edu.au/library/companion_to_tasmanian_history/F/Fabrication.htm Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 14 June 2014 3:53:47 PM
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Thank You for your book references.
I shall look into them.
Historian Henry Reynolds, (who I've cited earlier)
does tell us that "the educational standards of the
young people are far higher than those of their parents
who grew up on remote settlements or cattle stations.
They have had longer and better schooling. Hundreds of
Indigenous students from all over North Queensland
have passed successfully through universities and colleges..."
As Reynolds points out, "Many things have changed since
1965. Much has been achieved. Tolerance and understanding
have broadened out. Bigotry is in retreat. But the
racist past still weighs heavily on the present and might
yet destroy any hope of reconciliation in this generation.
Black arm-band history is often distressing, but it does
enable us to know and understand the incubus which burden
us all."
Dear Jay,
The evidence used at Nuremberg came from the German State
and their records were meticulous.