'And again, the Left is dead silent ....... '

yes Joe the 'moral' outrage is only for the Catholic church. The left and Islam have much in common.

Runner,

Wow. I never thought I would ever agree with you, but I think you may be right. Both Socialism and Islam have their authoritarian sides, Islam obviously but Socialism much more subtly:

Socialists seem to come in two varieties

- those who see the best, and the most potential in people, who have faith in the people, and in the virgin principles, if you like, of socialism,

- and those who, from the outset, would be on the look-out for traitors, misfits, backsliders, etc., who would easily move into roles as Cheka or NKVD or KGB apparatchiks, Executioners for the Revolution. Putin-types.

And yes, both that Utopian fascism/socialism and Islamism purport to seek out perfection, a finished product, one in paradise, the other here on Earth. A fascist goal, I now believe.

After seventy-odd years, I've come to believe fervently in that most miserably inadequate form of representation, of political participation, and of government - democracy. If there is ever going to be any form of socialism on earth, it will be an imperfect one which builds on democracy and which accepts humans as having - not so much faults as - differences, varied opinions, multifarious experiences, all of which can contribute to the richness of an ever-imperfect and ever-evolving society.

On Earth. Which is where I assume, with respect, Runner, my beliefs differ from yours.

Joe

Dearest runner,

Hmmmm, from what I can see the *RIGHT* has been pretty silent over the decades regarding Catholicism pedophilia. So I guess the right has it's own form of silence .... let's call it "The silence of the right".

Islam is much the same, as pedophilia is almost as rife there as in Catholicism, yet Muslims stay silent. The right and islam have much in common.

Love from Nhoj. xoxoxo

Loudmouth,

"So while we bicker over comparative trivia, real people, women, face imminent death, mainly for being women.

And again, the Left is dead silent ......."

What are you talking about?

This story was/is horrendous...anyone would be disgusted by this action against this woman.

But why would we be discussing it on a thread about Credlin and Oz politics?

Why accuse us of "being silent" about an issue that has nothing to do with Credlin or Oz politics?

Desperate to thump lefties are you?

(just read your latest...what a lot of disjointed gobbledygook)

.....

Shadow Monster,

"Poor Nhoj, it must be so hard for him, a liar, FAKING quotes, Too funny indeed. Not only a bludger, but a liar and misogynist too."

I can see why you're a fan of this govt.

Fake are they?

Not according to these two links...

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=14469&page=0#250252

"Juliar and Roxon may have slept around, but it is the voters that got screwed."

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=14469#249855

"Well the weasel is out, and couldn't win an election for dog catcher in his electorate.

Now it is time for the red haired weasel No 1 to face the music for lying about pretty much everything."

Why accuse nhoj of "faking" your quotes when it's so easy for us to search for key words?

That kind of stunt is not working for Abbott...and it doesn't work for you either.

And so much for the man who claims to repudiate misogyny.

Then Foxy you must call the Chef a liar as he stated on TV that it was
a joke menu that one of the cooks made up and it never left the kitchen.

Loudmouth,

"But we should be silent when a woman is put under the microscope for her fertility, or for the - presumably unjustified - high position she may have attained. Or, more historically, a man compares a woman to jar of mussels."

Just looking back over the thread and once again found you deploying you much loved "mussel" reference. I was going to have a bit of a chat about that...but I discovered I'd already done that here:

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=5901&page=0#167006

(worth perusing as it links to all of your "mussel" references)

Not much chop for someone who pretends to defend feminine honour.

As for Ms Credlin being put under the microscope for her fertility.

She had a bit of a go here at pointing the microscope at herself...should we condemn the Herald Sun for going along with it?

Albeit she intertwined her fertility problems with a huge plug for her boss, Tony Abbott - so I s'pose it was understandable

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/with-tony-on-my-side/story-e6frf7jo-1226548140341