Debating with an idiot is like playing chess with a pigeon. He simply craps on the board, and struts around as though he owns it.

.1% what a load of crap. More than 2 million properties with solar, and power generators saying they are battling to break even.
Abbott is in the business of closing down the growth of solar, so generators can survive. You know pay for an ear, works wonders.

Abbott wants to shut down something that makes no money, so why is there opposition to that.

The NBN won't be worth having, so they may as well have scrapped it.

579,

Even labor does not dispute the 0.1% decrease.

Climate Connect News, 9 December 2013, London: Data to be released by the National Greenhouse Gas Inventory this week is expected to reveal that Australia’s carbon emissions reduced by less than 0.1% in the first year of carbon tax from July 2012 to June 2013, according to the media reports. Before the carbon tax was introduced, Australia’s emissions were about 546.2 million tonnes which are now expected to have reduced to 545.9 million tonnes. Hence, the carbon tax cut emissions by 300,000 tonnes in its first year.....

The NBN under labor was a complete cock up. The costs were far higher, the installation was less than half the planned speed, the take up was only a fraction budgeted, and other technologies are starting to make FTTH redundant. A typical Labor thought bubble project.

Foxy, I do so admire your persistence with attempting a dialogue on this forum. Whenever I log in on occasion I see that the 'usual suspects' as Paul calls them are all still here and still dribbling the same drivel. It's so boring not to get an articulate response as to why a viewpoint is incorrect.

Are you all really that against civilians protesting against actions by a government? Isn't the freedom to do that one of the tenets of a free democratic society? To automatically blame any violence on protesters alone is such a limited view of why sometimes clashes do occur.

And another thing. What is it with the strident anti tertiary education rhetoric that never fails to pop up in this forum? How did you buy into cultivating this cultural bias in our, for the moment still, egalitarian society? Tony and his henchmen are all university graduates, largely freely provided by the taxpayers.

I personally enjoyed the protest on Q&A. It was good to see Jones at a loss and good to see uni students protesting

Yvonne, the problem with Foxy's reasoned, factual and well mannered approach is that on "this" forum it doesn't work. They STILL try to abuse and degrade her on a daily basis.

I registered here several years ago and quickly realised reasoned debate here was useless, so I didn't bother returning till just a month or two ago. I noticed those "usual suspects" were still here, and still abusing people who didn't agree with them.

So I decided to adopt their approach but go TWICE as hard as they do, via sarcasm. "Reasoned" debate with them is impossible. So it's basically now just amusement for me when I come here.

The "usual suspects" like Hasbeen, individual, rehctub, runner, UOG, Shadow Minister ..... there's only a handful of them here. They are the reason why almost all the other 22 million people in Australia stay AWAY from this forum.

The "usual suspects" have even formed a forum anti immigration "alliance" with Ludwig, in which Ludwig (because he is anti immigration on "sustainability" grounds)) NEVER criticizes their racist/cultural motivations for being anti immigration. It's weird.

But Foxy battles on with reasoned posts against the handful of radicals here, despite the abuse she receives from them. She deserves a medal.

Nhoj, I registered quite a number of years ago. There were a number of women commenting then. Foxy came after most of them had already left. I stopped shortly after it was suggested I might stop being such a do-gooder feminist bitch when I was raped by a Muslim. I've just logged on to see what the right wingers had to say about this budget. Not much I notice.
I suspect quite a number of them will be affected to a greater or lesser degree. I doubt very much anybody here will be hit by the ridiculous little temporary levy for the high income earners-we will by the way. But we will hardly feel it. Our young adult kids, though will feel the brunt of the changes down the line, as will their children.
Abbott and his disgusting cabinet wants to make people like our kids phenomenally lucky, not because they are smart, but because they have us as parents. It is un-Australian. There, I said it. This cabinet is treasonous to all the values of this nation.