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The Right To Protest?
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Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Monday, 2 June 2014 7:13:00 PM
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My dearest Jay,
(1)"Who are the right?".... you ask "who", ok here's 5 of them: Tony Abbott, Andrew Bolt, Joe Hockey, Alan Jones, Christopher Pyne (I expect you now to argue they are "really" lefties. Don't disappoint me Jay). (2)"Right wing organizations and lobbyists" ....Australian Taxpayers Alliance, HR Nicholls Society, Institute Of Public Affairs, Australian League Of Rights, Centre For independent Studies, Business Council Of Australia, Australia First etc etc ... the list is almost ENDLESS. (3)"Right Wing intellectuals" ... Cory Bernardi ex chair of the Conservative Leadership Foundation http://www.conservative.org.au Alan Jones Radio 2GB http://www.2gb.com/shows/alan-jones-breakfast-show Timothy Andrews director Australian Taxpayers Alliance http://www.taxpayers.org.au/who-we-are Andrew Bolt The Bolt Report Network 10 http://tenplay.com.au/channel-ten/the-bolt-report .... the list is also almost ENDLESS. There ya go Jay baby. ALL the information you need. I'm so glad I could educate you and provide these names for you. Are you now going to tell me that these people/organizations are *NOT* right wing? Ha ha ha .... your reply should be funny. I can hardly wait. Posted by Nhoj, Monday, 2 June 2014 8:35:40 PM
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Foxy,
The police here have guns and batons and it is fast coming to the time where it will be necessary to use the to control these incessant and disruptive protestors. We need a real confrontation where the full force of law and order can be brought to bare and a few of the suffer. Posted by chrisgaff1000, Monday, 2 June 2014 9:11:55 PM
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Chris, spoken like a true Nazi! Shadow there you go claiming the coppers have 'changed their spots'. Now on this very forum the self proclaimed ex flat foot Chris is calling for coppers to use guns and batons to "control" protesters.
By the way this is the same ex copper who on OLO claimed to have at one time thrown gays into the Parramatta River to get his jollies. Is this bloke your ideal copper? Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 2 June 2014 9:54:19 PM
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Hey chrisgaff1000, I've often wondered why they make such a meal of getting these idiots out of trees.
They should send them down the same way they went up. Head first. Posted by Hasbeen, Monday, 2 June 2014 10:03:57 PM
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Nhoj,
If that's your idea of "Right Wing" then people are right to laugh at you, not one of them opposes collectivism and, yes in the case of Neocons like Bolt, Bernardi etc they are 100% Left wing, there's nothing conservative about them. So basically it's as I thought, according to your worldview the ideas which unite the right are Zionism and crony capitalism, yes that much is true but they're the fake right, they don't talk about things like liberty, individualism or self determination. The authentic, reactionary right is Anarchy, self rule, anti collectivism, regionalism, anti globalism and so forth. It's expressed in schools of thought such as Deep Green Ecology, Slow Food, organic horticulture, transition towns etc. On that note take a look at Arne Nęss'debating tips, how to mount an argument "right wing" style: Avoid tendentious irrelevance Examples: Personal attacks, claims of opponents' motivation, explaining reasons for an argument. Avoid tendentious quoting Quotes should not be edited regarding the subject of the debate. Avoid tendentious ambiguity Ambiguity can be exploited to support criticism. Avoid tendentious use of straw men Assigning views to the opponent that he or she does not hold. Avoid tendentious statements of fact Information put forward should never be untrue or incomplete, and one should not withhold relevant information. Avoid tendentious tone of presentation Examples: irony, sarcasm, pejoratives, exaggeration, subtle (or open) threats.[1 Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Monday, 2 June 2014 11:01:55 PM
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You still haven't answered my questions.
Who are the right?
Which organisations describe themselves as "right wing", which groups carry out activism or lobbying under the banner of "The right wing"?
Who are the "right wing" intellectuals and can you link to their articles or publications?
Given that politics in this country has gradually shifted to all the way over to the Left beginning in the mid 1960's and starting at the top with the Monarch It's odd that you'd say it's shifting to the right. All forms of collectivism including religion belong on the Left, who are the anti-collectivists in Australia in 2014?
I mean, the head of state supports multiculturalism, equality, minority rights, Gay rights and so forth and she's the head of the most active Left wing organisation in the world, the Church Of England, so it's not like we can call monarchists "Right wing" like they did in France in the 18th century.