It now seems that both major parties, federally and state are now enveloped with a strong stench of corruption ? Therefore what can we, the humble electorate, do about it ?

I would respectfully ask that we don't involve 'party politics' in this discussion, as I'm sure most of you would by now realize, both Labour and the Liberal National Party, ostensibly have some of those repulsive creatures ensconced within their ranks ? Where allegations of corruption have been levelled against them, in the preceding 24 - 36 months or so ?

It's also acknowledged by the originator herein, that within British Jurisprudence, there are held two very important tenets '...there's a general presumption of innocence...' and '...he who accuses must prove...'!

The main thrust of this topic, is what can 'we' the ordinary battler do about it, if anything ? Or are we invariably heading down the slick road to certain perdition if something's NOT done, and done quite soon ? I should admit, I've always been repelled by crime of a kind perpetrated by those in very powerful positions, including that of police. Particularly those engaged in the private sector, and especially others within our political leadership ! Generally it's not a case they need more money, rather it's their unquenchable desire for more power ?

Therefore, what is it that we can do about all these allegations of corruption, that seem to be appearing almost daily in our media ?

You ask, "What can we do about it?"

(1)Our system obliges us to use democracy. Democracy = politics. Politics = political parties. Political parties go to elections. Then the people choose. That's how our system works. We are not permitted any other way. Therefore, in order to do something about it, people need to form *NEW* political parties that are guaranteed to be honest, convince the people and then take it to an election and *let the people decide*. Then after the new, honest parties get elected, 10 years down the track they'll be discovered to be utterly corrupt, and the process then begins all over again. That's democracy.

(2) As number 1 showed that democracy is not the answer to corruption, we need to look at other measures. Let's try the legal process. As we all know the politicians who make the laws, and the law enforcers themselves are *ALL* 100% honest and law abiding. No corruption there at all. Let's give these people more authority and more power to attack the corruption problem. They'll fix it up for us, we can trust them. Hang on -- that means politicians investigating politicians and police investigating police. Oh well.

(3) Now that it's established that democracy and the legal process won't solve the problem, where to now?

(4) Church!! We can ask God to help us. Yes, Zeus is perfect and as we are made in the image of Zeus, we can pray for and find a perfect solution.

So there ya go folks, the answer is God. "One Under God" will be so happy that his beloved Zeus is the answer to our problems.

o sung wu,

You must know from your police experience what prevents scrutiny and accountability. Any competent auditor or accountant would come up with the same list and the same risk treatments.

Meanwhile the public will apply an effective treatment which is available to them. That is forced mobility. Tip the rubbish out regularly. It will become a ritual if it isn't one already.

To make it not worthwhile for the self-seeking career politicians, the outrageous golden handshakes for sacked and retiring politicians need to be trimmed back to what the long serving but obviously unloved (by politicians) government employees get.

Federal politicians have the utter gall for instance to index their own superannuation to the pay rises awarded to MPs each year, which were 2.4 per cent last year and 3 per cent the year before. However the superannuation of public servants who must contribute subs and work for many decades is indexed to the (discounted) CPI! That means that the already very frugal superannuation of public servants when eventually paid loses its value every year. Only recently the government tied military super to increases in the age pension, but immediately turned around to talk about parsimonious cuts elsewhere.

This article is relevant and the same can be said of the LNP, Labor and the lunar but greedy Greens as well,

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/anger-at-politicians-not-sharing-the-budget-pain/story-fni0cx4q-1226903805902

Politicians and governments are there to serve the public and not the other way around.

Hi there ONTHEBEACH...

As you would well know, police, politicians, members of the armed services, and I'm sure many other groups, are required to be 'sworn in'! And in so doing, they are required to take that oath, very seriously indeed. That's why the coppers, and military people, can be heavily sanctioned, amongst which can including, but limited too, punitive measures, such as substantial fines even penal servitude, if they proceed to break that oath !

And it does happen too ? Why then do out politicians appear to be totally immune to such sanctions ? As you quite correctly opined in your opening sentence, from my policing experience, they seem to be able to frustrate any and all attempts to carefully scrutinise theirs, or their political colleagues, from any meaningful review of their activities ? Which leads us back to the initial question, what can be done about it ?

I believe the only way we can shed any legitimate light on these covert political 'games' is to rely on the power of the media ? It's through these highly effective 'investigative journalists' who can dig around apparently with some degree of anonymity (much more than police!) who can 'out' many of these corrupt practices, leaving poor ol' Mr Plod shaking their collective heads in disbelief ?

It's only when they're 'forced' to publically defend their actions, or inactions, to a legally prescribed body, similar to ICAC can the truth finally emerge. What do you think ONTHEBEACH ?

Good afternoon to you NHOJ...

Firstly I must thank you for your contribution, the substance of which has been most edifying indeed. However, as you've sought to reduce this problem to it's common elements, I find we've not advanced very far ? Nevertheless, I'm sure your assistance herein, may well bare further examination.

Wu, the MEDIA is the solution?? OMG, they are JUST as corrupt as the politicians and police.

Wu, there is no "solution". Mankind by nature is this way. Always has been, always will be. Does this mean nothing should be done? Of course not. All this -- both the offences and the struggle to bring to justice, are part of the primitive biology of mankind. It's a struggle that was taking place 100,000 years ago, and is still taking place. It's the basic survival instinct (on all sides).

Until the intellectual biology of mankind is altered (that won't happen), a solution is impossible. And dealing with all the minutiae of every included detail in the situation of corruption will not produce a solution. Why? Because mankind is simply too intellectually primitive and runs on instinct. No different from the animal kingdom, although we "think" we are incredibly superior.

So Wu, have your discussion. Analise every detail, address every outrage, pursue every course on the subject matter, detail every bit of human bad behaviour and collate every piece of law enforcement, retaliation and punishment possible. Result? Politicians will STILL be corrupt. No matter what is said or done, politicians will forever be corrupt. Why? They are from a species called homo sapiens, thus politicians are a primitive species driven by their primitive survival instinct. Just like everyone else.

The problem with Australian politics is that the two dinosaur parties, have simply been in power far too long. Federally, about 114 years between them, even longer within the states. Although the conservatives have gone under various names in that period the have shared the job with Labor. Neither party has much internal democracy when it comes to choosing candidates and determining policy. That is interesting as they see themselves as an integral part of the democratic process, but don't apply democracy to themselves. For both Labor and Liberal its a case of "we are the natural political overlords", when they are in power they see that as being the natural way of things, and when not in power they see it as mistake and therefore a temporary aberration and they will inevitably be back in power soon. The dinosaur parties are just too comfortable with themselves, and their born to rule mentality needs a kick in the backside. There are alternative and the people should embrace them.

Paul, all alternative political parties are no better than Liberals/Nats and Labor. Just smaller and not yet in a position to become JUST as corrupt. Politics corrupts.

People on one side do all they can to cover up "their" side's corruption, and then proceed exploit and expose the corruption of other sides.

Democracy and politics go hand in hand. Politics and corruption go hand in hand. Neither democracy nor politics is the solution. What's the solution? I don't know. Humanity knows of only 3 systems, democracy (with all it's variations) and dictatorship (with all it's variations) and anarchy. So far, nothing else exists.

o sung wu,

There have been politicians who have been child molesters too and likely there will be more. However when a politician or anyone else in a leadership position is convicted of an offence s/he will soon find that the punishment is severe and intended as a lesson to others in positions of trust.

I believe that there is far less corruption in the private and public sectors than in the decades before. If you could have seen the progress made in improving government for instance. But alas, where the media is concerned, good news doesn't attract an audience. As well, there are few good investigative journalists to report it even if the editors encouraged such reporting.

There are much higher ethical standards now and far better behaviour as any student of government will tell you. One area that could be improved though is ministerial accountability.

Where there is no change is in the scoundrels who take advantage and abuse our trust. They will always try to wriggle their way out and they are almost always clever manipulators of the people who trusted them, and they can play the media too.

You asked what the public can do. One thing the public should always do is recognise those who have give service and not assume they are always in it for personal gratification and gain. In fact few are like that. A bit of respect would go a long way too. It is thoroughly deserved by many in public positions and they are even more upset by those who let the side down.

Hi there NHOJ...

Regrettably, I'm bound to acknowledge that much of what you've asserted in terms of the inherently fallacious nature of the human soul, being essentially dysfunctional is probably true ? However, your pessimistic auguries for the future of human kind, is fundamentally flawed in my view ?

There's little doubt the world is facing some of the worst instances of human and financial chaos in living memory. Thus making it extremely difficulty to see a more positive future for us all.

Still at an age approaching seventy five, I cannot but hope there are many people out there who'll never yield to unbridled avarice and materialism, but instead spread around some of the huge levels of beneficence and altruism that abound in some of the world's richest nations. Interestingly, greed equates to accessing corrupt activities. Corruption feeds on mans need for power and materialistic exigency, or 'force majeure'.

Hi there ONTHEBEACH...

Speaking of what we might loosely refer to as 'political criminals' - I believe you're quite correct when you say there is less corrupt activity amongst the ranks of both the private and public sectors then years past. Still there's corrupt behaviour apparent amongst those who are required to represent us. Whereas any untoward activity perpetrated amongst our leaders should be a 'zero'.

If our lawmakers can't be trusted, then who can we trust ? I also agree with what you say, apropos those who do fall, and are subsequently discovered ? They are (and should be), punished heavily as well as being publically humiliated ? It is only through such a measure, you may hope to stamp out any corruption - punishment by example !

Years back, we had a specific charge called 'Larceny as a servant'. Often any individual convicted of such a crime was usually punished more severely than a normal, 'common law' Larceny offence. Generally, during the normal 'ratio', the presiding judge would surmise, because a 'servant' (eg Bank Teller) had a greater degree of trust placed upon him, than normal his crime amounted to a greater degree of dishonesty, which usually meant a more severe penalty ? The same reasoning should therefore apply to all politicians, in my view. And as you've correctly asserted herein, it probably does ?

Thanks again ONTHEBEACH

Hi there PAUL1405...

Yes, I think you're right. Both parties have this opinion they are born to rule, no matter what the circumstances are ? A case of mutually agreeing to swap the 'spoils of the Electorate' around almost ? You take government for the next two terms, then you turn it over to us ? Sounds absurd, but who knows ?

We need a brand new political party with an immensely strong leadership coterie, to come in and sweep all before it ! A group with the best of old Labour, as well as the best from the LNP. Of course we'll see it...when ?

You mentioned there are alternatives ? Surely you don't mean the Greens ? You know there's enough substance in the 'Greens' for the entire 'Royal Australian & New Zealand College of Psychiatrists' to have their Annual 2014 Conference !

Thanks for your contribution.

Politicians are like nappys.
They should be changed often and for the same reason.

Giving money to politicians is bribery.

<<One thing the public should always do is recognise those who have give service and not assume they are always in it for personal gratification and gain. In fact few are like that. A bit of respect would go a long way too. It is thoroughly deserved by many in public positions and they are even more upset by those who let the side down.>>

Beach how true, I know you were thinking of Bob Brown when you penned that.
Take Australia's longest serving politician as an example William Morris (Billy) Hughes. Sat 51 years in the Federal Parliament, expelled from three parties, and represented four different electorates in two states. Billy served in every position from Prime Minister down. Always controversial, a real fighter. Billy could be accused of a lot of thing, but not serving the people isn't one of them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Hughes

o sung wu,

<<Surely you don't mean the Greens?>> Of course, is there any other party worthy of your vote! No Beach, I'm not voting for Jim, he'll have to be satisfied with the lousy 617 votes he got in Cook, can't see myself making it 618. Seriously, I have stood outside polling booths and defended the Rev Fred's 'happy clappers' members of The Christian Democrats who have been abused by some jerk for what they believe in. I might not agree with them on some things but they are honest and have a go, more than i can say for some.
Do you think I'll burn in hell, for once giving out HTY's for the Christian Demo while he went off to answer a quick call from God, or the toilet, or whatever.

Why are any of us surprised at the fact that
both major parties, federal and state get caught
up in corruption scandals from time to time?
I would have thought that as long as money and
greed influenced our political system - that would
be par for the course. I'm just surprised that they
don't get caught out more often. We allow donations
(big ones) to our political parties, we know that
deals in business are always made - so what's new?
Corruption exists in all of our institutions.
From Charities, political parties, unions, sports clubs -
you name it. Big business has an impressive record of
interference in the affairs of politics, with activities
ranging from bribery of local and state officials to
attempts to overthrow foreign governments.

We cna continue to have Royal Commissions and extensive
investigations of illicit corporate and private activity
as soon as it's discovered - however as we know from
past records few actions of any consequance have
resulted - this of course doesn't mean that we should
not keep investigating. If nothing else it may act as
something of a deterrant. But as long as money, greed, and
power are involved - it will undoubtedly continue.

oh sung well..well said
anyhow i have much hope..that we will find a senable means..of oversight..over our public servants..[and here is my one size fits all..solution]

govt exists to educate/support/teach assist ..
to offer what is fair to all as a public good/to serve to preserve and protect the skill..govt exists only to sereve..but some..dont serve..and thus must get as they earned/de-served

the solution..is simple..public servants must live in govt supplied housing/must send their kids to public schools[and the best will get the elite/paid in full on the public purse.

my solution is that their 'civilian assets get put into trust
and sealed..[as being theirs/regardless of anything else

we thus separate/that mine/yours..from that common wealth/we call ours

further as a public servant[any public servant]..you get issued an open credit card/to use for everything you do..as long as you serve

when you leave..your complete expenditure is reviewed

so the easy answer..ios EVERYTHING..must be paid for on cREDIT CARD
[mandaTED TO BE ONLY USED BY YOU/but for every expendture/private public every expenditurre..goes on the card

its audited in live time/by others with their owen cards
in short any public servants complete histry/'service'..and dis service.over serviCE ETC IS ON THE RECORD.

if you dun served with honour
your assets are upgraded/accoordingly
if not..then its clear malfeasance/AS WOULD USING YOUR OWN CARDS OR OWN CASH..BE PROOF OF PUBLIC SERVANT..malfeasance

point being we must give complet faith[]way and means..to serve thE PUBLICINSTANTLY/VIA YOUR CARD'S/money MOVEMENTS..[to be clear even possesing 'money'..is criminal..once your called to serve...ITS ALL ON THE card.*

till the day you retire to glory honour name
or infamy..and the adverse afFects..of evil doing its vile upon tHE LIVING.

IN SHORT FINANCIAL AUDIT GOING IN/OUT
as you return back to your civil..but a/assets..
MORE OF THE SAME..is TAKEN AS A GIVEN.s long as you serve[only use your public servants go to card.[for everything].til the day you leave.

under/the sepperation of powers of person..[power]

secular dogma of moral relativism has allowed pollies and all people of all persuasions to justify their actions which stem from corrupt hearts.

"Secular dogma of moral relativism" .. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. And you think your Flying Spaghetti Monster is any better? I wonder if He's sorry for murdering all those innocent, little Egyptian babies all those thousands of years ago?

Nhoj,

suddenly you believe in absolutes. How amazing if not a tad hypocritical.

Please explain your "version" of the meaning of "absolutes", and then please explain why you used "hypocritical". Are you capable of explaining this properly? Probably not. Let's see. I'm waiting ---

OJ/SIMPLESON../QUOTE.<<I wonder if He's sorry..for murdering all those innocent,..little Egyptian babies all those thousands of years ago?>>

WHAT HAS good is begotten....by GOD
FOR SORROW..NOR SORROR..death indeed where is thy sting?

every spirit born was told the state of spiritual decay
some jump in premature..thus fade away

your the winner of 3 million sperm racing
for that big cell to make you..that first living germ..[the beginning..of you]

NONE LIVE BUT BY GODS MERCY AND HIS GRACE ALONE*
believe it god gives us each bETTER THAN WE EVER GAVE

indeed god fore gave
thus all[even the least]..are saved
each given the bodY.THAT BEST MEETS ITS DRIVING LUSTS.{*}

NOJO/QUOTE..<<..Please explain*...your "version" of the meaning of "absolutes",>>

god is eternal
this material realm..is absoute[going on to obsolete

ob sol eat*

<<.. and then please explain why you used "hypocritical".>>

yoiur constant focus on medication indicates over stimuation
i know cause i got it in me

but i know its demons driving me
yopu just dont now its not you[someone is feeding off your passion energy emmisions[much like noct*earnal emmision

<<.. Are you capable of explaining this properly? >>

the one you pick on can explain it better
but how about you too giving thyne own reply

<<Probably not. Let's see. I'm waiting ->>

yeah me too..you think any/reply distracts your non reply away..

arewe not simply ammusing each other to clarify our stance
id love to gear if you have anything to say in a court?

just tell them your gievance and they will slot you in

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=16263&page=3

if not just come and watch me crumble
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6293&page=10

vote none of the above*

Like Foxy I find it dissapointing that both parties have been caught out cheating to use a polite word for it.
In NSW the labour party brought in a law to ban contributions from certain types of businesses.
Fair enough as that was where the corruption came from when the Labour party was
running the show.
However they did not ban contributions from trade unions.
No surprise there, but it has put pressure onto the Liberal party in raising funds.

The latest suggestion of only individuals can make donations.
Well that has holes all through it.
eg one donation from each trade union member included in membership fee.
eg one donation from each shareholder deducted from dividend.

hmmm, you see what I mean ?

The taxpayer to pay ? Not another levy ?

anyone..guilty of crime..must be defrocked
exploded/exiled..any who take these theives..in

beware
every one the same goes to the same place
no id goes to greenland.

done

australia and the yankies want tall blonds

tall is in/stand tall.

Hi there MIKK...

What a brilliant response to this humble topic my friend ! Might I be permitted to plagiarize it occasionally ? Seriously you're probably right, by regularly rotating our pollies does tend to keep them active.

Hello there FOXY...

I trust you're still feeling well, and all this cold weather is not causing you too much grief ? :-)

You're perfectly correct when you say corruption of one sort or another is entrenched in the human psyche and has been so, since time in memorial ? If we were to accept that premise, is it acceptable then amongst our politicians ? Or is it a bit like the police, fireies and ambo's getting half price at Maccas when on duty ? A little bit of covert corruption is acceptable, as long as it's kept well out of public view ?

Are we placing a too higher standard on our political leaders ? It's well known politicians are quite poorly remunerated compared with others in the private sector who've a much higher capacity to earn the big bucks. Furthermore, it's also a well known fact a minister of the crown, earns considerably less than his own 'permanent head' by far. Whereas the professional life of a politician is measured in three year contracts, with the electorate ? Where a permanent head is a public servant, ostensibly with a job for life, with all the protections afforded to him, under the Federal or State Public Service Acts, pursuant to that which he was originally appointed ?

So other than being quite well 'connected' to both business and the community, our humble back-bencher is not on a particularly good wicket. Therefore, a bit of injudiciousness, is not such a bad thing when one considers all the other less desirable features of the job, with little or no prospect of advancement to a ministerial appointment as an example ? Therefore, a bit of a 'hanky panky' isn't all that bad really ? Pay 'em peanuts, and you get the same effort in kind ?

Hi there BAZZ...

I do indeed see your point concerning that of unfettered contributions emanating from both trade unions and other organisations. If we're not careful we'll end up similar to the United States, where a single individual can possibly 'bankroll' an entire Presidential campaign. Was it Ross PEROT the billionaire who in 1992 made his own personal bid for the Presidency to the tune of, and in excess of, $55 million USD ?

There were similar assertions directed at Clive PALMER buying himself a seat or two in the federal parliament ? I'd not like to see any political party, be able to buy themselves into government, as we've witnessed attempts, in some less then democratic countries, around the world.

Thank you BAZZ for your most worthwhile contribution, I really appreciate it.

' I wonder if He's sorry for murdering all those innocent, little Egyptian babies all those thousands of years ago? '

Oh so wrong Nhoj, but then the millions of unborn babies sanctioned by the secularist is ok right Nhoj

Look up hyprocrisy in the dictionary although you still might not get it.

The answer is easy. It is not "knowing" the answer, but "doing" it that is important.All governments since the beginning of time have been corrupt to a greater or lesser extent. "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Almost all great men are bad men" is a famous quote.

All we need to do to stop corruption is to supervise our government. FairGO and Voterland both offer very effective ways to do that, without any party politics.

But people have to want good, honest government enough to give a little time and effort. Not much! Residents Roundtables are free and a good start.

Oh so wrong runner. So because babies are aborted, that is your reason to "excuse" your god thingy of murdering thousands of tiny, innocent Egyptian babies (already born might I add).

Runner, look up hypocrisy in the dictionary although you still might not get it.

But then again, I suppose you'd say those little murdered Egyptian babies were born sinful and deserved to be murdered by your god thingy.

NOGGIN..mate let me explain
since the vietnam/war..over 50 million[mainly black americans were ABORTED]..its genocide..these end times are tough/many were called not all survived rule 0ne

pick a long life*
SOME ARE ACTORS ON THIS STAGE BUT BRIEFLY/BUT IN EACH LIFE LIES ITS LIFE LESSON

there is a reason short life tenure endures
IT HELPS BREAK OBSESSION..[SOME THINK THIS REALITY IS AL THAT EXISTS]

BUT EVERYTHING IS LIKE AN ONION
many lives teach us god will allways grant the means..then we chose the way.

have nice day

One Under No God -- could you please repeat that in English please. Thanks little buddy.

Nh0j...mate..you are energy..undergoing osmosis
constantly changing..its form and or state

5 million sperm..[lives]..had their life experience [as human sperm]
but up to 2 days..maybe 3 tops..by day 4 only the feemail sperm/survive

then does..5 milion deaths/justify your living?

here is how it goes down/your you not because you the sperm won the race..[see your mothers ovum...[cellular membrain]..isnt pumped tight..its like a ballooon filled with sand[tension wise]..and exactly twelve sperm need get there before you 'got in'..[the tension needs be just right

anyhow you didnt win/your iving cause the 13 th sperm, gets in

the fast skinny male sperm..win time and again..
but often the slower one gets in..faster than the thicker plunmper slower femail sperm..live longerand if the egg emerges..late its bound to be femaiL MATE

funy enough its not the last/thus wont be the first/ol mate

anyhow..IN court tomorrow..i will be discusing real issues
stuff you cant concieve/let alone believe..but be assured before the g 20..all the hard work in coirt twenty will get done

proper wat/with mutual respect..for queen and cunterry
about culture and duty forgiveness and grace about honour and yes standing.

yes its about standing and two wrongs make it al wrong
but I HAVE MANY fold grievance proof and remedy..just ask me[but kid you wont gasp any of it]..thats why it was so rote.
court 20 brisbane maji strait/curt/stanley st
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6293&page=10

this thread will get special mention[the first will be the last]

One Under No God, hey little buddy you're in "court" tomorrow?

Wow, what were you charged with? I hope it's not the "P" crime -- a lot of Christian ministers are charged with that one.

By they way, nice biology lesson ... here's a better way to describe it, "Your dad shagged your mum = One Under No God".

Nhoj

'So because babies are aborted, that is your reason to "excuse" your god thingy of murdering thousands of tiny, innocent Egyptian babies (already born might I add). '

your puny fist towards your Creator clearly demontrates your arrogance and ignorance.

Runner, do you realise that your god Zeus will send you to eternal torture in Hell for abusing a nice forum member like me? Remember now, "love thy neighbour".

Hi there ONE UNDER GOD...

Johan, I hope your day in court tomorrow goes well for you ? Try not antagonise the judiciary, because if they get their 'knickers' in a knot it generally doesn't augur all that well, for those appearing before them ? Anyway, the best of luck ol' man !

interesting to see how quickly discussion moves away from the subject of political corruption. It is not hard to solve by supervision, but it will not be solved by action-less talk.

HIGH wu..I WAS IN COURT..til LatE
and i know..the judge has much..he will TALK OVER..with his peers
ditto/pERSICUTION..[i note..that cannABIS SATIVA..IS NOW ONLY CANNABIS...[i/did-that]..and a new rule saying..a photo copy..lo..is proof..NEATLY AVOIDS Questioning..the analysts form letter

i need.a real lawyer..to suE F..EDERAL/STATE/COUNCIL GOVT AND SPECIFIC DEPTS LIKE TRANSPORT..healTH..BUT I CAN ONLY..AxCES LAW..the systematization of the corruption is self evident/but thaTS BECAUSE NO ONE IS HOLDING..ANYONE TO ACCOUNT../\..ONLY COvERING UP EACH OTHERS MALFEASANCE..FOR mutual nest FEATHERING

[IM Gutted..but i know..i spent..a lot of..
THEIR/I MADE THE BEST PART OF3000 dollars/TYING UP10 POLICE FOR A WHOLe day//plus the judge his two clerks..THATS A LOT OF 'WORK'
LOST/BIg...budget*money YESTERDAY/\..ALL THEY GET..IS 300 DOLAR PAY DAY

[this scam...only woRKS..BECAUSE
20/OUT OF TWENTY-ONE/PLEAD..guilty..[fIrst*APPEARANCE]LAWYERS..DOING/MAlfeasence/treason?

I WAS..PREVENTED PRESENTING..'THE REASON....FOR THE OFFENSE
THATS IS NOT only wrong/but..wrongly APPLIED..TO INJURE THE INNOCENT WHILE..the/inbred-elite\..THE..INTRENCHED.'IN..THE/know'..ELite go on raping..our savings..MINDS...AND OUR FAMILIES

the point is..THE System..*is designed to protect..its arS..buT
thing is..i sought to speak of..a plant one plant..ammoung a 20 PAGE list of extracts/CONCENTRATES..'DRUGS'.judged a Drug/ONLY\via being put upon..the SCHEDULE/2..WRONG..[A FILING-ERROR?]

how to set..that plant[SEE/GENSIS1;29]..free..[TO..BECOME..REV22;2]
INDEED HOW TO FREe..THE POLICE FROM CRIMINALIZING 35,000 KIDS A YEAR FOR.A JOINT..OR.that them pleading guilt..AT THE RATE..of 20.out OF 21..IS THE ONLY REASON THESE Abuses of omnipotent govt invasiVE/ABUSive/colluded..enforced commerce goes on

ignoring all the ruLes
COVERING OVER..the sloppy police paper work/and false witness as they mix..their reality with the COP SHOWS..AND OTHER excuses to yell at us...where we are futile TO REPLY.. its criminal[UNCIVILIZED /LIKE] ..SHOOTING BLakies.on a ginn hunt/OR CANE-TOAD..golf/stuff of demons]...[one/even..swore..on the bible

but..till..i can geT LAWYERS..AND BARRISTERS
TO AUDIT..[PROSTYITUTE..MY CASE[or i figure/..out how
to initiate..A..law suit.[for the injuries the SYSTEM Sustains to enforce]..as a 'service'..on the few..abused/the poor AND Oppressed

hell..im angRY..A DIABETIC.Needs their drugs
my anger drugs..at least STILL AlLOW/FUCTIONALITY...interaction with oTHER..AND GOVT WOULD EVEN seek to end..those..FEW/CYBer-peers/....the thing is..i can appeal..alL the way to the haigE..[IM a stolen generation dutch]..A DUTCH CITIZEN..CAN initiate..the..world-COURT.

THATS THE/Next huge.'stolen generation'..
correcting/thing..we take it globally..or make/it personal.

MATE.. there..was A SEARGENT THERE..[SCOTTY]
I WOULD HAVE LOVED..A MODERATED DEBATE/BETWEEN HIM AND ME
WE ARE BOTH BELIEVERS..aND THUS ..our de-bait..WOULD BE..FACINATING
but/weare..to..MUCH ALIKE[LOL]

Oh Sung Wu,
Well it gets worse. Some say the US system has some support but I just
read yesterday that only individual can donate to parties there.
However the courts have decided that corporations are persons.
Therefore the corp as an individual can donate. Weird !

Hi there BAZZ...

The US electoral system is both complex and generally mystifying in the extreme. What with the 'Electoral College' and other complicated vestiges of true democratic protocol as permitted by the American Constitution, it does make the United States system of government quite complex and difficult to understand.

I've spent a bit of time in the US and something I have noticed, the average American citizen is quite patriotic, demonstratively so I'd say. More then the average Aussies are ? Is there much evidence of political corruption over there, actually I do not know ? There's always 'chatter' emanating from the many conspiracy theorists, but corruption per se, I'd have no idea personally. Go into the average Bar, and you'll always find a group of blokes whinging about their corrupt government ? Idle talk, or based on fact, who'd know ?

Something I do comprehensively understand, any US politician caught committing a criminal act, is punished quite heavily. I'm only alluding to 'criminal' offences. Rather than those politicians who engage in corrupt activity while in public office, or relating to the discharge of his or her public duties. Including any systemic failure of his or hers fiduciary obligations too, are all viewed very seriously indeed?

more signs AND SIGHS OF THE TIMES
as the constitutional COURT ASKS FOR THE PM TO RESIGN
[ unmentioned is the armed forces MASSING THERE TO GET THE Ruling

why is that pm sacked/..why so many hobally
whats the bet they elect a banker?..like at east 6 other expoSED INSTALLED BANKERS HAVE BEEn..all..with firm TIES TO THE IMF.

Hi there ONE UNDER GOD...

I see you're still with us Johan. They didn't take you out to the Bay. Time to give all this stuff up, do you reckon ? This going to Court, is a bit of a drag don't you think. A great waste of your time, the Courts time and the poor ol' coppers time, all of whom have to hang around the precincts of the Court all day waiting to be called, all to give about ten minutes of testimony.

Surely you'd have much more time to write, even produce a treaties on the law or something equally as uninteresting perhaps. The multitude of available topics is boundless, therefore you'd easily find an appropriate topic on which to write. Take it easy Johan, OK !

it feels like it sometimes/but wHY STOP
I LOST 300/FINE..im not paying/but one day will coect/if my family ever decides to sell my home/plus OTHER COSTS..say my total cost=400

THEIR COSTS -6 copes times 10 hours
one judge two assistants aND 10 SECURITY GUARDS..
IN SHORT AROUND TEN GRAND EASY OF WASTED POLICE Time and effort/off revenue-raising/lol..duty.

MY MISSION WAS A SUCCES..I had a 3 pip bloke sitting in the court
the thing is i point out weakness THEY THEN 'FIX'..[ike cs/chanGING TO C/..NOW I HAVE EXPOSED How all ..that needs chane of the law=is simply delete cannabis/frOM THE SCEDUAl asnd the drug act

its a plant not a drug.

<<..Well it gets worse. ...Some say the US system..has some support but I just read yesterday that only individual>>>

[individual/living BEING]
or..[ person/dead/name..but peRSON/BEING..NEVER THE TWAIN/MEEt
[they arnt the same thing

ony the indIVIDUEL..<<>> can donate to parties there.
However the courts have decided..that corporations are persons.>>

YES AND THE ONLY 'PERSONS'.GOVT CAN CONTRol
are the ones/they created under their act/

see if you read the acts/they repeatedly say..person includes/followed by the inclusion/that lo included person.

WE ARE NOT PERSON/WE CAN ACT ONLY AS TRUstee..
ON BEHAlf of our govt issue ON/paper..'persons'

IE.THE PAPER ID=THE PERSON

includes.excludes all..that noT SPECIFICALLY.INCLUDED
AND PERSON..ONly refers to corporations trusts [orphan][/wards of state]...and id created unDER THEIR CONSTITUTING act/=/all dead fiction //ie person

<<>.Therefore the corp as an individual can donate. Weird !..

jesus said let the \dead tend the dead..he hated the money changers/whO as 'persons'..ensLaved the living...via liE OF PERSON

JUST LIKE THE LIE..of license[permission for a person to DO THAT OTHERWISE UNLAWFUL FOR A PERSON..[READ actual/LICENSE]..to do.

ditto road rules are made under the transport act
the transport act regulated commerce OF TRANSPORTING GOODS FOR Money

if your UNAWARE THAT WAGE ISNT INCOME
ITS TIME WE Learned what the wORDS REALLY ARE SAYING

TO INCLUDE ONE EXCLUDES ALl ELSE

Anyhow

the motion before the chair
second reading..'vote none of the above*
HRH THYNE SERVANTS HAST YET AGain become abusive/all that can save us is thy love.

all the best iZ..LOOKING FOR*WARD *..ala our good king george.

pope of heaven/and\earTH.

Mirth..by birth..the offer is not unlimited.

"The powers of financial capitalism had a far-reaching aim - nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences.

The apex of the system was to be the Bank for International Settlements [BIS] in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations ... Each central bank sought to dominate its government by its ability to

control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world." -- Carroll Quigley in his book "Tragedy and Hope"

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/allwarsarebankerwars.php
http://investmentwatchblog.com/bankruptcy-crisis-more-u-s-cities-set-to-file/

http://www.roitov.com/articles/kesef.htm

Grocery stores in quiet neighborhoods find the sum prohibitive; it is around their daily income. Medium sized supermarkets and larger shops laughed at the sum; they earn roughly one-hundred times that in an average Saturday. Sales on that day are 25% of their weekly income. They paid the bribe-tax and kept opening.

On June 25, 2013, the Supreme Court asked from the municipality to explain within sixty days why it would not enforce equally the local law on groceries and supermarkets.

The following ruling was written by Justice Rubinstein. His language is notoriously indirect and heavy, Hebrew written as if it were an Eastern European language. Suffering one paragraph of it is essential in this case.

He wrote:

"The local law of Tel Aviv-Yafo teaches us that it is forbidden to open shops during holidays. To enforce this, the municipality charges from shops willing to offer their goods to passersby in the day of rest a 'Shabbat Tax' every week. In this hour, owners of small stores have no opportunity to contract enough workers for manning shifts, and as their fathers..and the fathers of their fathers..they do not work on Shabbat..['shovtim beshabat,'..literally..'strike on Saturday'].

For large supermarkets,..the fine is..a fraction
of their income,..a tiny wave..on their/big-water surface.

This is nothing..but a make-believe enforcement of the law,..a fake solution..of Isra-bluff under the wings/of the Torah,..[the municipality allowing that]..as if all the people witnessing the event.were fools."

I left just enough idioms..to give a feeling..of his florid style. His idioms..reflect Israeli reality...Rabin often complained about the.."It will be OK"+ Israeli spirit..."It will be OK,"..is the invariable Israeli answer..[to any problem...[It seldom checks out]..;..it is seldom said/while knowing..the solution..to the problem.

When hearing an Israeli saying.."it will be OK,"..one should begin to worry seriously...If they add.."don't worry,"++ drop everything and run away..as fast as you can...

This is known as Isra-bluff.

http://www.roitov.com/articles/israbluff.htm

Each/central-bank..sought to dominate..its government..by/its ability..to control Treasury-loans,..to manipulate foreign exchanges, to..influence..the level.of economic activity i..n the country,/and to influence..*cooperative/politicians.by subsequent.economic rewards in..the business world." --Carroll Quigley/in his..book "Tragedy and Hope"

Introducing “Subprime Business Lending” – Loans with 125% Interest Rates Are Being Securitized and Sold to Investors
http://www.blacklistednews.com/Introducing_%E2%80%9CSubprime_Business_Lending%E2%80%9D_%E2%80%93_Loans_with_125%25_Interest_Rates_Are_Being_Securitized_and_Sold_to_Investors/35426/0/0/0/Y/M.html

From yesterday’s Bloomberg article, Wall Street Finds New Subprime With 125% Business Loans

The following story represents one of the most mind-bogglingly disturbing reflections of what is really happening beneath the lipstick pigged representation of the U.S. economy the mainstream media regularly portrays. At the center of the story is a company called World Business Lenders LLC, which is staffed with veterans of Jordan Belfort’s (the Wolf of Wall Street) boiler room firm as well other former brokers banned from the securities industry. It sports a business model that lends money at 125% annualized interest rates to small businesses.

Oh, but the story gets better, a lot better. Large Wall Street banks like Goldman Sachs and corporations such as Google are also naturally getting into the market. http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2014/05/24/a-new-israeli-war-against-palestinian-banks-this-time/

there are mANY LEVELS OF CORRUPTION
THIS TRIES TO COVER/JUST ONE..[THE BUILDERBERGERS]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwWqiY0Uy3s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z4u3OUllA4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLdp6hiIghc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axre0PxX3Gw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKagXFsXtUo#t=15
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceOrJaMBbQM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5B1PX1XeZ_s

ANYHOW..SO WHAT
http://xrepublic.tv/node/9189
WITHOUT THE ROT../WHOT*CHA GOT.

The Destroyer..of..Fake..“Recoveries”:..edited

Intended consequences:..A)..transfer wealth...[from savers/who once earned..substantial interest..on their savings]..to the banks,..which can borrow CREDIT..for near-zero.

THEN/LOBBY-/govt..and loan ..it out\..via fractional-reserve/leveraging..tenfold[ie create/10-times..more]..out/of..nuthing..but the cash..we gave/them..

then lending/this...'new'...paper/CYBER-CREDIT].to businesses..and consumers..at..fat-spreads,..reaping billions of dollars..IN INTREST....[EXTRA..that once flowed to/savers.]..but/now..become..huge bonus...INSIDER-TRAITERS/Flash-tradING/COMPUTER CREDITS\carbon-credits..to..max..market can bare.

B)..By making cash..into trash..[and..credit/from..thin air
[fiat paPER]..(i.e...it earns..no interest,.effectively losing value MINIUM..

[In a 2%..inflation environment),..the[bankers-Fed..intended\to push everyone with cash..and/or credit..to put their money..into/high-risk assets such as stocks and real-estate...creating..ARTIFICIAL*..scarity thus boom-bubble/scarcity..BONUS.[REAPIng/others\harvest].

Read..more/at http://investmentwatchblog.com/the-destroyer-of-fake-recoveries-unintended-consequences/#B0j4oWY4F6deoKzZ.99

Unintended consequences:..A)..Now that everyone has been pushed into stocks and real estate,.valuations are once again a..t bubble heights–and bubbles always pop,..

but/thats the good/news..destroying every participant...who has been lulled into believing this bubble will never pop..because “the Fed has my back.”

B)..By allowing mark-to-fantasy valuations of collateral,..the Fed hasn’t cleared the credit system..of impaired debt: it has enabled an expansion of bad debt..and eroded the fundamental credibility of the system.

C)..By enabling the wealthiest slice of..duel-passort/holding-elites..to borrow essentially limitless sums for free,..

the Fed..has fueled wealth disparity,..as the super-wealthy can buy rentier/assets for nearly free..with Fed-created credit,..[outbidding anyone..in the 99.5%.]

D)..In becoming the buyer of last resort..for Treasury bonds and home mortgages,..the Fed has destabilized the bond and mortgage markets and undermined[over rated]..the U.S. dollar...As a result,...the Fed has to taper its buying lest it end up owning..the entire short-term Treasury market...[owing itself/untold..quadrillions]

E)..just/By buying $2 trillion..[in mortgage-backed securities,]...the Fed (in conjunction with Fannie Mae, Freddy Mac and the Federal housing agencies such as FHA)..has essentially socialized the mortgage market in the U.S.–[for..invester[fed]..landlords]..virtually all home mortgages are now backed..or issued by the government...[to huge investment/vehicles/owned..by secret trusts..[less than 5% of all mortgages are privately issued]..and..ARE/not guaranteed..or owned by the..QUASI/FORMER government..INSTRUMENT.[NOW/PRIVATE-BANKERS..global franchise]

all/this high treason
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/05/enron-2-0-wall-street-wants-manipulate-state-energy-markets-just-like-manipulates-every-market.html
must/Destroy the market’s ability..to price assets,..risk and credit, and you take away the essential information..participants need to make rational,..informed decisions.

By crushing the market’s ability to generate..accurate pricing information to save the Status Quo from necessary repricing and reforms,..the Fed/PUBLIC-SERVIANTS..and the Federal government..have generated enormously destructive,,[FULLY*-intended]..consequences that will not/repond to..additional politically expedient fixes...

RE-NATIONALISE..ALL PUBLIC..UTILITIES...IMMEDIATLY.

All the other/..central planning fixes
around the world..share..the same fatal flaw.
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=16376&page=0