the usual suspects venting their hatred. Just when I thought the abbott, abbott, abbott phobia was fading. Just spoilt kids throwing yet another tantren because Abbott has to clean up the mess of their heroes.

Piorot what do you suggest as an alternative?

I don't like the idea of a tax, esspecially given that I will be paying it, but seriously, what's the alternative.

The other point we have to remember, is that only about 58% of tax payers actually pay net taxes, as the remaining 42% draw more in welfa than they pay in taxes.

So to hit the high income earners again, considering they are the ones who provided the funds that were wasted in the first place seems a bit rich. Parden the pun.

But, as I say, what's the alternative and, if we have to have a tax increase it should be across the board as we would all benefit, so we should all pay.

My suggested alternative is to introduce a very small finacial transaction tax so we can at least test the water on this much avoided alternative that may be the answer to our woes.

Oh runner you are absolutely correct. We'll never forget that horrid liar Gillard will we. Because of her pre election lie and broken promise she deserved to be chucked out. At least Tony Abbott is 100% honest and true to his word. He would never make a pre election commitment/promise and not keep it. Also, he would never make a pre election promise, break it, then try to twist what the promise meant in the first place. Also, he would never say that a broken promise was not "really" a broken promise due to the fact that the changed promise would be in effect for only a "few" years.

No sireee, our Tony Abbott never lies, never misleads, never manipulates. After all he's an ex trainee Catholic Priest, and as we all know Catholic priests can always be trusted ... that's why none of them are pedophiles.

Yes, may the Lord bless our honest and truthful Tony Abbott.

Nhoj

'Oh runner you are absolutely correct. We'll never forget that horrid liar Gillard will we '

your shouting was deafening. Face it Abbott has an adamic nature just like you, Gillard and me.

Oh yes runner, Abbott is so "adamic". Such an honest man, who would never, ever lie to the voters. Aren't we so lucky to have such an honest, non lying man in politics.

When is a Tax not a Tax?
When it's a red herring.
I have seen a few in my adult years, far to many actually and no matter the government of the day, it's all about staying the top dog as long as you can.
That means the rest of the tax paying population will have to pay for the, 'what ever it takes', billion dollar promises each and every political party can come up with while, they try to keep lodge keys in hand.
The frustrastion of it all is, call me sinnical but, on the state level who is responsible for employing 14,500 staff whom were sack when the Newman government in QLD took office how could this happen and or how could the government run productively if these staff were really required.
Similarly on the federal level the 26,500 staff that are fore-shadowed the iron fist of Abbott, how is this massive waste of tax payer dollars just swept under the lodge rug, only to be brought out when the jobs for mates is reintroduced, after the next election.
Who is responsible and what are the punishments, anybody in all platforms of government please.
A quick calculation total staff 41,000 ball park average wage with no real info on wages, I'II use $80,000, conservative I feel.
41,000 x $80,000 = $3,280,000,000.
Unacceptable, is this a good enough figure for the debate to disband all state governments, and move into local councils working in tandem with the federal governments, lets talk about it, please.