Poirot, - thank you for the link regrettably it probably will no difference to spindoc. The only acceptable evidence will be when we have actual video of some falling out of the sky.

spindoc - accused me of failing to read and comprehend but it is he who has because he failed to address my critical part which was "I would suggest the purchase is being forced on us by America or a lot of people got very big kickbacks."

I am more concerned the purchase is not being made voluntarily.

I have not read the book yet but Former prime minister Malcolm Fraser has made a radical call for Australia to break its alliance with the United States and become a “strategically independent” country.

We started out with 200 or so US Marines in the north soon it will be some where up to 2,500 of them, why?

America has now virtually become a police state, every country they go to there is trouble, plus they make them self exempt from the host countries laws.

‘morning Philip S,

No, the question was, what was it in the link you provided that substantiated your assertions?

You have avoided answering these questions.

There as nothing in the link you offered that was even close to your claims, otherwise you would have provided it.

Like all good alarmists you have gone off into the ether without going anywhere near your claims. Accordingly I bring you back to your original claims.

I have no problem with anyone offering opinion. But when you make claims and seek to substantiate there claims with so called “evidence”, it is entirely appropriate to call you out.

All you have to do is show what in your original link supports your claim. So far nothing and your response has been nothing. To which we are entitled to claim that you falsely inserted evidentiary claim when you meant opinion.

Like I said, show us the evidence or withdraw.

It is quite simple, your link, your evidence, your assertion. I’m so glad that you feel it necessary to “retain a copy of this thread for the future” but I’m concerned that you have failed to deal with the present.

<< F-35 isn’t so stealth after all >> and that
<< More information coming out to confirm that the F35 is useless>>

Where in your links do the statements exist to support your assertions

spindoc - You do have a habit of going round and round in circles.

Please read again what I said before now look at the heading again
"More information coming out to confirm the F-35 fighter is useless"

That means what is in the article plus information that has previously been around just because you do not have that information is not my problem, as you do on other threads you ask for all the information but then you totally disregard it in favor of your own opinion.

I have played your silly game before but will not get caught again wasting my time dredging up all the information you will disregard anyway.

Dear Warmongers,

I'm sure there have been great improvements in medicine, due to wars. Just ask Florence Nightingale. We would never have found a cure for smallpox if people didn't die from the disease. look at all the improvements in car safety due to road trauma. If millions hadn't died in wars we wouldn't have a lovely little light in our fridges that pops on and off with the door. Jay what is your point.
<<Westinghouse make radar equipment, GE make jet engines, Sony, Intel, Mitsubishi, GM, Ford, Boeing, Lockheed Martin>> One thing they all have in common, they all make money, lots and lots of it, thanks to ours, and others generous contribution to global capitalism through militarism.
Its immaterial as to whether we are spending billions on F-35 fighters or Sopwith Camel's, the important thing for global capitalism is we are spending!

More whoppers from Mr Shonk.

"Last week the government decided to buy 58 F-35 fighter aircraft for $12.4 billion. When asked where the money would come from, the Prime Minister reassured us that it was already there. “It's money which successive governments have carefully put aside to ensure that our nation's defences are strong,” he said."

"Alas this is not true. There is no piggy bank. Instead there is just a plan. Ever since 2000 the government has been planning to spend a lot of money on new fighters, but plans are not hard cash. The money itself will still have to be found in each budget as the bills for the F-35 come in, year by year, over the next decade."

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/defence-challenge-reconciling-australias-warfare-shopping-list-with-reality-20140428-zr0ng.html

Tch tch....

Philip S
The JSF like the NBN and 'Paid Parental leave" and the 'Disability Insurance Scheme' are unfortunately the best we can get.
Its a bit like politicians what we have is the best we can get.
Suffer in silence like lambs to the slaughter.