This thread raises an important issue: why does anyone, old or young, have to live on the streets in the first place, in our 'welfare' for everyone society?
Is it truly by necessity, or is it at least partly by choice - possibly because of drug, alcohol and tobacco dependence whittling away at any welfare provision to such an extent that there isn't enough left over to cover modest shared accommodation as well as modest food and clothing needs?
Surely there can't be many choosing to hoard their welfare payments - for whatever purpose - or who simply prefer to live the life of a vagabond (and do who knows what with their welfare, giving it to church or charity perhaps, or to their kids)?
And surely there can't be many who fail to apply for welfare?
Or can there be many who simply don't qualify for welfare - and if so, why don't they qualify?

Or is welfare provision simply totally insufficient? (Though very many seem to get by on it.)

I don't have a problem with the provision of welfare (aged, sickness, unemployment, disability, veteran, education assistance, rental assistance, and the like) - as long as it's for those truly in need.
But why anyone, and particularly the young, would have to live on the street is a mystery to me. (Or is there a lot of bs and misinformation going on?)
(Surely no severely disabled would be living on the street - apart from the occasional 'nutter'?)

I have friends who worked all their lives and saved enough to buy a home - while raising three daughters - and now get by on the aged pension, including running a car and providing some assistance to the kids. Also, one of their unmarried daughters with 4 kids gets by on welfare in rented accommodation.
If these and others can do it, and with their dignity intact, why can't everyone else who is out of, or past, or incapable of, work?

Well 100000 homeless in Australia atm, 1 in 7 people living below poverty line, charities turning away 2/3 of people, 10000 people had to have electricity cut off so far this year ( could not find total figures) So yea I think we have a bigger problem brewing, And I don't see any of the major players addressing these problems and can only see them getting worse

In that case Aussieboy it is time to forget the "dignity" of those welfare recipients, & manage their welfare for them.

If they are not capable of keeping enough in the bank to pay the power bill, the rent or other fixed costs, perhaps they would be better off if the money to pay these things was withheld from them, & used to pay their bills for them.

Just in passing, have you noticed most of these people, who can't manage on their welfare have a mobile phone, a car, & don't shop for clothes at Lifeline/St Vincent de Paul shops. In places like Byron bay you will find many of them riding the best of surfboards.

I don't mind anyone, even welfare recipients, choosing their own priorities in spending, so long as they don't then want a second dip into taxpayers funds.

Still I can't help wondering sometimes, how many prospective employers the surfer boys & girls on newstart, find out in the break.

Aussieboy,
I agree we're looking at an increasing problem there but, how many homeless are homeless because they simply do not like any discipline & pulling their own weight ? I'm not denying that there are genuine cases of people getting a rough trot but out of those 100000 my guess is no more than 2-5% could be considered genuine. The rest is choice, choice of the aformentioned.

.....In that case Aussieboy it is time to forget the "dignity" of those welfare recipients, & manage their welfare for them.

Hasbeen, you hit the nail on the head. Welfare IS A GIFT and should be quarantined and provided via a special debit card whereby selected items/purchases simply can't be made.

I lost count of the number of customers who presented a salvos voucher for meat, yet had a slab of beer and smokes in their trolley.

Now before anyone gets on the 'it's not fair to decent people ' band wagon, let me tell you, decent people who receive welfare assistance, appreciate it and respect the fact that a tax payer has gone to work to provide it, because after all, it's only fair that the payee receives value for their contribution.

At the end of the day, when stupid governments raise the age of dependance on parents, the kids get kicked out of home earlier.

Now they are wanting to make it even harder for these youth find work with their lowering of the adult wage age. Just plain incompitance on display yet again.

individual/residual/quote..<<.<<..how many homeless are homeless because they simply do not like any discipline>>

most of the ones i met
they want nuthing from govt!

resent having to sign/ie self incriminate paper into contract

ya see the ones who signed ..app-lied..to get the dole
[see our founding documents ..SORT OF PROVIDE A PENSION/DUTY OF CARE FOR BARSTARDS/ person under the protection of an act/an act is a conditional offer/that gives permissions to that other wise unlawfull to do

ie if in life its not allowed/on paper by begging [Applied means beg]..a beggar gets for that he begs

ie BOUND UP IN PAPER/you create a legal person/on paper/under the act

<<..& pulling their own weight ?>>

yes they take nothing from no one
of course some prefer to openly beg..others not
but the litle they dont got thery didnt take from you

<<>. I'm not denying that there are genuine cases of people getting a rough trot but out of those 100000 my guess is no more than 2-5% could be considered genuine.>>

yes condemn the 100,000 because 20 doing the wroing thing
by this new law/..lets lock up all public servants all cops all judges all doctors all nurses all kids..[no hang on they all got lawyers//but not the kids

ok you can bust and criminalize the kids
but not the bankers govt or no other big to big to fail
well its time they were let fail..
http://rss.infowars.com/20140418_Fri_Alex.mp3

before they make us all homeless..knock us off
with disease/poison..in the water over night/how many could that kill ya dill..THERY GONE TO FAR WANT TO STAY OUT OF JAIL/DONT WANT TO GIVE UP THEIR STOLEN PLUNDER

bail out the top/..to big to fail../
in the top down system..

*the value comes..from the base.

<<..manage their welfare for them.>>
<<Hasbeen, you hit the nail on the head...>>

YES
not..FROM THE TOP DOWN

so..YOU CLAIM YOU OWN IT...PROVE IT..
TILL THEN YOUR ALL ON THE ONE SAME DOLe/...everyone..till the paper work gets properly done
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6152&page=0#178808
oops you have to...finish writing .the new law
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6293&page=0