Ok then Ludwic, what would you suggest we do to elect our government or parliament instead then?
If everyone was as apathetic as you and Raw Mustard, then there would be no elections and we could end up with anarchy.
Maybe that would be attractive to you guys?

Suse, it is simple.

We need the optional preferential system implemented at the Federal level. This system has been used in Queensland for a long time. It works perfectly well.

It is democratic. It allows the voter to mark only one square or as many squares as they like, thus declaring their preferences as fully as they wish.

In other words; it allows the voter to properly express their wishes at the ballot box…. and there is no chance that their vote will end up counting where they don’t want it to.

<< If everyone was as apathetic as you… >>

Scuuuze me Suse, if there is one thing that you could have gleaned from my last post, it is that I am very passionately concerned about our domestic politics.

What a silly thing to say!!

It is you who is showing major signs of apathy when it comes to our voting system. You didn’t know what a donkey vote is. You didn’t know anything about CPV. And you haven’t answered any of my questions, presumably because you don’t want to be drawn into discussing something that you clearly know very little about.

Half the problem with our political system is that there is a very large portion of the population that is as apathetic as you. If they gave a damn about some of the extraordinarily bad aspects of our so-called democracy, then we would have a much better system of governance. They simply wouldn’t stand for things as corrupting as CPV. And they would be much less inclined to vote for the slightly lesser of two (or more) evils (which most people consider our political choices to be) and much more inclined to vote for minor parties, independents or for no candidate, thus ultimately watering down the power of the big parties and bringing about real political reform, which heaven knows we desperately need!

vote by black ball/definatly dont want
white ball/definatly do want

put the right ball/into the right box
tally the yeah/\tally the nay..IF MORE NAY..GO AWAY

ANyhow/this was inspired..by a vision..a now way/voting box option
or collecting the no vote votes..to mean your level of govt is fired[an unofficial referendum..that over 50 percent no votes/dissolves that level of govt..into lower level/of governance

when our informal vote jumps up
things will change..as long as the informal IS STILL A FORMAL VOTE

IF WE GET REFERENDUM NUMBERS ITS DECIDED...BLANK
VOTE MEAs...I VOTE YOUR SYSTEM IS GONE.[or in-formalise it in creative ways]

DONE
SIMPLES.

add up the one number that can change the farce
fight back..informally..nul/void the voting form

[dont leave blank as any idiot can steal that as a vote...deface the disgrace..keep it informal]

http://whatreallyhappened.com/node

We would not like to be an economic basket case like Germany would we. The mere fact they are holding Europe together financially is of little significance?

As for those Mongrel Kiwi’s, their dollar is getting close to parity with ours, what are they doing right. They have been able to get free trade deals through years ahead of us?

Did you know that both these countries have not had a majority government for a bloody long time? Gee they must be unstable!

Believe it or not one chicken was squashed do to the sky falling on them.

Both these progressive countries are represented democratically and proportionally.

We need to vote in a government that is prepared to give up power, change to a proportional system and give the power to the people.

For more details on how it works read this thread in March 2012:

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=5047#135467

What some people on this topic don't realise is that their vote can make a difference - but no change will occur, unless they change their mindset! Unfortunately too many people in Australia believe things like - "my vote won't make a difference" or "why bother voting, when major parties dominate".

To me this is simply being lazy. We need people in Australia to change their voting mindset - and vote for someone else! People in Afghanistan were willing to come out and vote, regardless of the risks, put themselves on the line - and we will wait and see the outcome.

I heard some of the comments from a women's rights advocate living in Afghanistan - and she was a very intelligent person - much more than the many voters in Australia.

NathanJ, "I heard some of the comments from a women's rights advocate living in Afghanistan - and she was a very intelligent person - much more than the many voters in Australia"

Did you pause to reflect that Australia's young men and women are in Afghanistan trying to protect her and bring democracy, while the buff young Afghan blokes who should be sticking up for her rights are paying big money to criminals for a one way tourist gig to Australia to hitch up with 'Wonderful Centrelink'?

Amazing though it seems, there are smug intelligent 'progressives' in Australia who slag the young Aussie soldiers who put their lives on the line to free those women, and they applaud the very traditions and garb that represent that ferociously cruel, inhuman treatment of Afghan women.

Complex, eh?