Foxy,

The issue for most of us is the numbers, not whether we should have immigration at all or take any people who aren't white Europeans. Why do you want to double our population every 38 years? It ought to be obvious that we are doing serious damage to the environment even with the existing population. This is just on bird extinctions.

http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/news/australian-birds-extinction-crisis/

The Australian Conservation Foundation has nominated human population growth in Australia as a Key Threatening Process under the Environmental Protection Act.

http://www.acfonline.org.au/sites/default/files/resources/EPBC_nomination_22-3-10.pdf

It also ought to be obvious that our quality of life is being degraded in many ways by overcrowding. Banjo listed some of them, but you want to pretend that it is all about racism. The government can't keep up with infrastructure and public services due to the enormous rate at which people are being added, since the infrastructure is required up front, before people are able to contribute enough to pay for it.

The supposed benefits of mass migration don't stand up. It won't keep the population young. The per capita economic benefit is very small and mostly distributed to the owners of capital and the migrants themselves, so it isn't making us richer on average. See p. 6 and the following pages

http://www.pc.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0016/113407/annual-report-2010-11.pdf

By redistributing wealth to the top, high population growth gives more political power to a greedy, short-sighted elite. Just look at government decisions (of both parties) on the mining tax, gambling, junk foods, etc.

I am no fan of racism, but people need waking up, not soothing. People like you actually worry me a lot more than people like Shockadelic.

Foxy,
Golden Dawn wouldn't be on the verge of taking power in Greece if the country wasn't already 30% non Greek and Anders Breivik was raised as a Liberal, if you didn't know.
You fail to understand that under the present political conditions by tolerating the bad behaviour and racially derived eccentricity of non Whites your side also give permission to Whites to behave in the same fashion.
Example. The Cronulla disturbances of 2005 began with Lebanese aggression and anti social behaviour which led to retaliation by the rest of the multicultural community and culminated in revenge raids by the original Lebanese troublemakers. The Lebanese gangs were ignored by the state and Police who were too scared to take them on because of the Lebanese community's power in the business and political spheres, their depredations were suppressed by the media and their criminal lifestyle abetted by "Anti Racists" who shielded them from criticism.
As the proportion of Whites in the population drops to around 70% in certain areas then full blown "White Flight" will begin, parts of the major cities will become "no go" zones for Whites as they have in Brussels,Stockholm, Oslo, Athens,Paris,Bradford, Madrid, Marseilles,Naples...and so on. It's in these areas which the Jihadists, the criminals, the fanatics and misogynists will flourish, the suburbs where no English is spoken, where the kids don't go to school and the adults choose crime and state welfare over gainful employment. There will be the Chinese owned convenience store on every corner, the Police speeding through the main street in armoured cars but never responding to call outs, the burnt out teachers and social workers with the thousand yard stares and drinking problems, the gun toting street kids with the hoodies and bandanas..you know it already because you've seen it on TV in city, after Multicultural rainbow city.
The scientifically measurable effects of Liberal immigration policy prove the case of Reactionaries and those opposed to Third World Immigration, if you want your grandkids to live under a Fascist dictatorship keep going as you are ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8GvLKTsTuI

david,
You can keep repeating that the boat people have done nothing illegal all you like, but that does not make it correct. The simple fact is that all non citizens require a valid visa to enter Aus. That is our law and because they break that law we lock them up. We do not lock up people who arrive with a valid visa. You will find it on the DIAC website, if you care to look.

It was a major issue at the last election, after Labor rescinded the system that had worked previously. Labor always promised they would stop the boats coming but obviously did not intend to. LNP promised to stop the boats and thus far it appears to be working. The electors are/were sick of the invaders breeching our borders and voted accordingly. Neither political party 'employed the politics of hate and fear' as you put it. Most criticism was aimed at the smugglers.

The simple fact is most Aussies know we were being conned and taken for a ride by the illegals and it was costing us a fortune. The illegals are not genuine asylum seekers.

I suggest you get used to the fact that the illegals will be deterred from attempting to come to Aus by boat. They will not get what they seek.

Now if you want to talk about issues of culture and what is good for us and what is detrimental to a cohesive society, I look forward to that. No suggestions yet about more alien practices to enrich our diversity?

Gentlemen,

I think that most of you would agree that Australia
needs a continuing and planner immigration program
into the future. Where we may differ is that I see
the sources from which immgrants are drawn make a
multicultural approach to policy essential, and that
policy should be shaped in the knowledge that human
beings are involved. I accept that politicians must
work within limits set by public opinion. However,
I don't accept that the majority opinion is always
right. Changing public opinion is a necessary feature
of democracy and in this area is often essential.

See you on another discussion - I have nothing further
constructive to add to this one.

Cheers.

I have no reason to think that the boat people coming here have a political/religious agenda
david f,
Well, I can't force you to get some foresight & I only hope that those of us who do will get to watch those who refuse to see, see what's coming to them head-on. The reality however is that they're already dragging us all down.

I have to disagree with all of you. Those who have a political/religious agenda would pick a more secure way of getting to Australia than the dicey way of getting involved with a people smuggler. Some atrocities in the US have been caused by people who came to the US on legitimate visas. Examples are 9/11 and the Boston Marathon bombing. The second biggest atrocity in terms of lives lost, the bombing of the Murtagh building in Oklahoma, was by Timothy MacVeigh, an native born American who had fought in Iraq. It is easier to target the boat people than to confront the danger from documented aliens and twisted native-born people. It might be safer simply to let all the boat people in and nobody else.

However, Australia has less than 3% of the fresh water that the US has, and more than 3% of the US population within a similarly sized area. Considering the basic resource of available water that means that Australia is more heavily populated than the US. Not only is the supply of water limited but fracking may destroy much of what is available. I disagree with you, Foxy, about any need for more people in Australia.