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The Forum > General Discussion > It's time governments stepped aside and allowed professionals to do the negotiating.

It's time governments stepped aside and allowed professionals to do the negotiating.

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So here we are, about to see a huge boom in QLD CSG exports, yet, at the same time our own residents and industries are about to be hit where it hurts most, rises in energy costs.

Surely even blind Freddie can see that the result of these export CSG deals, struck between governments and miners are destined to cause major confrontations with locals and local industries and, I think it's about time that governments step aside and engage true professional negotiators to negotiate these mega billion dollar deals.

Despite my oppisition to the tax, The MRRT is another prime example of government incompetence, evidence being in the way the miners simply outsmarted the labor government, resulting in next to no tax revenue.

The very first order of business in these deals should be to guarantee affordable supply locally, then, export, but not until we are provided for because unlike many commodities, these are a one off resource and must be supplied to us first.
Posted by rehctub, Tuesday, 18 February 2014 7:44:40 AM
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Butcher,
Inclined to agree.
SD
Posted by Shaggy Dog, Tuesday, 18 February 2014 9:36:53 AM
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BUT WHO WILL PAY FOR THE 'INFRASTRUCTURE.
IE THE NUTS AND BOLTS FOR EXport/../IE//

The..GAS LINES/PORTS..ELECT-TRICK POWER,,[TO COOL IT DOWN..FOR SHIPPING..ETC]=

WHO TO PAY BIG SOLAR CELL/*INVESTORS
THEIR 60 CENTS PER kilo whatt?

gee NEXT THING YA BE SAYING IS
GOVT MEMBERS SHOULD BE QUALIFIED TO SERVE AS MINISTERS[but that failed TOO..doctors serve big pharma..bankers stole the banks..thing is were doomed if we do..doomed if we dont

the beuro-cazey..does its evil well
recall this is the doorway..to satans hell[it shall be done on earth..as it is IN HEAVEN..[we stood sILENT..then one day..they came

for you..too]
BY THEN WE WERE FEW.
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 18 February 2014 10:14:59 AM
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Rechtub I am yet to see a result of this mineing that comes any place close to that in one Texas case.
I think if we ever contract out what is in the end a government duty we are on thin ice.
But have refrained from joining in anti CSG protests, because while I am sure our economy needs it I remain unconvinced real harm is a by product.
Not every protest movement is right, far from it, the not in my back yard mob would protest against rain in my view.
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 18 February 2014 11:54:53 AM
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yep..we must listen to expurts
Pediatrician with a God Complex
Refuses to Treat Unvaccinated Children

http://www.theorganicprepper.ca/pediatrician-with-a-god-complex-refuses-to-treat-unvaccinated-children-02172014

Let's talk about the meaning of a "god-complex".
Wikipedia defines a "god complex" as

"an unshakable belief characterized by consistently inflated feelings of personal ability, privilege, or infallibility. A person with a god complex may refuse to admit the possibility of their error or failure, even in the face of complex or intractable problems or difficult or impossible tasks, or may regard their personal opinions as unquestionably correct."

Many parents can find a living, breathing example of a person suffering from a "god complex" as close as the family pediatrician's office.

One such example is the anonymous pediatrician
who wrote this essay, which was published by The Daily Beast.

AnyhoW THE THought occured..
the unvaccinateD ARE Blamed..if an outbreak occurs
but tHATS WHY People vaccinate..SO THE VACINATED CANT GET SICK

but hang on..LETS BACK STEP A BIT
these un-vaccinated..'KIDS'..*MUST INCLUDE
THE VACCINATED KIds..un-vaccinated parent*s

NOW you can read what the vacinator says
keeping in mind..

http://www.wakingtimes.com/2014/02/17/study-reveals-unavoidable-danger-hpv-vaccines/

http://rinf.com/alt-news/breaking-news/pharma-got-doctors-prescribe-risperdal-wellbutrin-bextra-neurontin-prempro/

http://rinf.com/alt-news/breaking-news/government-helps-insurance-companies-hold-public-hostage/

http://sherriequestioningall.blogspot.com/2014/02/huge-amount-of-birth-defects-in.html

http://investmentwatchblog.com/amazing-photos-of-mexican-drug-lords-home-and-23-billion-in-cash/

I FIGURE WE TRUST EXPERTS..TOO MUCH..allready..
thats how we got into this mess..by hiring partY LOYALISTS Run by special intrests..IN GOVTS PURSE...OUR POCKETS

[YA KNOW ITS SO]
HERE IS THE NEW WORLD CURRENCY
DEATH BEFORE DISHONOR?
http://investmentwatchblog.com/the-death-of-8-world-bankers-is-mysteriously-sinister/
http://lonelyconservative.com/2014/02/dem-senators-to-host-climate-change-slumber-party/

http://washingtonexaminer.com/energy-official-electricity-prices-to-soar-80-percent-thanks-to-epa-coal-regulations/article/2543871

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/feb/17/former-barclays-employees-charged-libor-allegations-interest-rate-fixing

http://randomactsofpatriotism.wordpress.com/2014/01/05/scientists-and-politicians/

http://investmentwatchblog.com/food-prices-soar-as-u-s-government-says-theres-no-inflation/

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/gangster-bankers-too-big-to-jail-20130214

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/expert-warns-of-hyperinflation-the-american-way-of-life-will-be-destroyed_02172014
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 18 February 2014 2:32:00 PM
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OUG,

Completely agree with the doctor, parents who won't vaccinate their children are setting time bombs in society.

If they don't like the doctor they can always exercise their freedom of choice.
http://www.theorganicprepper.ca/pediatrician-with-a-god-complex-refuses-to-treat-unvaccinated-children-02172014
Posted by Is Mise, Tuesday, 18 February 2014 5:43:23 PM
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Parents must have the freedom not to vaccinate their children,
but so should doctors have the freedom not to treat anyone they don't wish to treat - for whatever reason.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 12:39:06 AM
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MY..POINTS..were relating to bias..[professionals..[like say the 'law society]..have taken oath..'to the society'..DOCTORS FOR EXAMPLE..have taken the hypocrite oath...they cannot refuse to 'treat'..[its just not an option.

further..re VACCINATIONS..YOU LIKE ME..HAVE Received..the vacinations mandated..in their daY..we just like the unvacinated..carrY the risk..OF INFECTION..unlike those who are vaccinated..WHO MAY CARRY..THE DISEASE..YET NOT CATCH IT.

but there comes a further complication OVER AND Above higher loyalties..and the spin..that vacination..stops the disease..they simply wont show the symptom..they still have the disease..but even WORSE..is a little thing called evolution.

SEE THAT THE STRAINS THEY INJECT..into our kids..have evolved
indeed..the very medium..that grows the old uninvolved virus..induces new virus directly into childreNS Blood system/as well as the SAME old VIRUS NOW EXTINCT

SEE HOW THE EVOLTION..allows other infections to fill the niche
killing off the disease caused[opened up]..thus we now have 3 VIRUS..THAt fill that part in the food Chain..

ie wiTH POLIO..there are now three polio like BACTERia/VIRUS..that are rife..AND Unaffected by having immunity to a virus EXTINCTED YEARS AGO.

further..the flue/INJECTIONS..ARE SIMPLY 3 MUTATED..[BY GMO]..VIRUS..THEY HOPE/EXPECT/TRUST..WILL BE THIS YEARS EVOLUTION..OF FLUE..BUT ISNT..

but juST LIKE we take FAITH..in THE THEORY OF evolution..we take it on faith//THAT THE PARTIcular strain of mutated gmo flue their pumping in..will be the same

but evolution..ensures it wont be
plEASE recall OUR govt spent BILLIONS on tamiflue..it didnt work..[doctor knew it didnt wor]..but GOVT'S GAVE BILLIONS..TO THE GLOBAL wide/scam..

*simply because under a un-treaty..they agreed to..'[if the un HEALTH professional S declared a..pandemic/..and sure enough..these biased professing quacks did..

2b ctd
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 6:09:45 AM
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it would help if you grasped MICRO-evolutioN/FACT..AS OPPOSED TO THE MACRO-THEORY..FICTIONS..BUT LETS TRY..to educate the deliberately dumbed down..by professionals malfeasance

virus are like access CODE..only the right cure kills the current virus
having last years[or a randomized choice of three other mutations from last year wont work this year..thats why tamiflue failed hugely.

[so their masters cleaned up BIG..ON THE SCAM...just like they clean up on their gmo mutated FLUES from last year..LITTLE CARING THE BAD KILLER FLUES HAVE GONE.

HENCE THEY EXPERIMENT WITH COMBINED VACCINES
hence they combined swine/BIRD FLUE AND GET SAY SARS
ITS ALL..A SCAM..run by professional spin meisters..BECAUSE teachers never taught the science bEhind the theory of evolution

JUST TO BE CLEAR..if they got the sign..you see the signs
if you got the vaccination..yOU COULD MAKE US SICK..CAUSE YOU GOT THE MUTATION..and the precess OF MAKING IT..IS like rolling the dice..you with the new latest random evolution..are the danger

heck..recall we got aids
from injecting live polio virus grown..on monkey serum..pumped it..into african and russian kids..NOW ITS GLOBAL..

PLEASE NOTE..these scamers get rich only when we get SICK..their not their for our health..but to get rich from our sickness...

its sad you DECEIVED YOURSELVES..

your vacinated kids will one day..Not be looking sick..yet kill you with the sickness/they themselves show no sign of...cause you didnt vacinate you.

you unvaciunated..DONT TAKE THE SAME SHOTS
the one your immune to died long ago..[its lie you pay protection for eliphants..but we got no elephants..so they say see it worked.

its sad your so SET ON THE SCAM..
that..YOU REFUSE TO EVEN READ..THE EVIDENCE
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 6:17:04 AM
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IT IS SAID..that vacines are good[AND SOME ARE]..but they are living biology/they have a shelf life..they degrade/so they add in preservatives/heavy metals like mercury..that affect the functioning of our nerves/brain/it dumbS us down.

THUS WE ARE TALKING TOGETHER WITH ONLY HALF OUR MINds working
see they add heavey metals to ouR WATER..at minute levels..but the system..is there..to up the dosage..of fluoride at whim.

they used for example in the work camps/austrwhich etc..3 patrts per million to dose those mindless imbeciles mindlessly into the gas chambers [look at the world war 2 treason's donE by bayer/where most of this DEMONIC Stuff was conceived/field tested..

the wORST WAS THE AFFECTS OF VITAMIN Deprivation
like removing iodine from salt..or the husk from rice
white flour whirte sugar/white salt..all are killing us

like there was a disease outbreak..that was traced back to white rice
the vitamin on the husk/prevented it..simply by getting rid of the white rice.

LIFE HAS BEEN SET UP TO MAKE US SICK
YOU EAT SUGER..your body gets acidic..eats your bones..or the sheaf from your nerves..its endless the diseases oF DIET..[LIKE WHITE FOODS/SUGERS CONVERT DIRECTLY..INTO FAT..THUS OUR DEPRIVED SIck bodies get obese..get diabetes etc

the experts [professing professionalism/
only get rich/when we get sICK..[AND IGNORING VACINES LOOK AT THE ADVERSE AFFECTS OF PERSCRIBED DRUGS]..

THINK HOW JUST LAST YEAR WE WATCHED A DOCTER GET NICOTEEN Subsidized by govt..[they couldnt patent..it..ITS POISEN]..BUT NOW GOVT SUBSIDIZES THIS ADDICTION..for ever

nice fraNCHICE/PLUS EXTRA CASH COWS BY LIE OF 30 billion/'SOCIAL'..COST

THEY SIMPLY STOLE THE MARKET..FROM THE TOOBACCO INDUSTRY
of smoking/when true costs is 800 million..and smokers and non smokers have the same rate of cancer..[ie smoking isnt a factor]
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 7:45:39 AM
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.DITTO HAPPEND WITH HEMP..taken over by the dupont and coke bothers
[yep the same coke bothers then putting cocain..into sUGER/NOW USING CAFFEEN..TO SELL YOU COKE

but the old COKE WAS..A PENNY MEDICIN..IT worked too well
they..got rid of cost affective[cheaP]..PAIN RELIEF..lost the cheap..NOW NOTE THEY STILL GOT NO cure

but lets ignore the heavy metal vaccines we get

those..in the know get the mercury/heavey metal/preservative free vacines..grown on sterILE MEDIUM..others get the mercury plus the extra virus grown on the cheaper but more common..but littLE KNOWN..CAUSES CANCER

SO NOW YOU KNOW WHY CANCER IS GOING NUTTS
see further that vaCine they give for clamidia..BURNS THE GIRLS Overies out/makes them sterile/now they plan to give it to boys too

professionals..know this
or should..but must remain true..to their peers/not you.

its sad you who care so much for thyne health..trust those professing treason..by slow killing you/BY yet other educatiON PROFESSIONALS/professing TO DUMBED DOWN-people LIES

IE not teaching fact..but mere colluded professing of peer's
ITS THE SAME THING RE LAW AND..money*..[and media][govt/public srvice/unions
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 7:45:50 AM
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clubbers/quote..<<...guarantee affordable supply locally, >>

yes mate i..agree..we can cure/many diseases..simply BY PUTTING BACK INTO THE PROCESSED\foods..THAT Which..was taken out of them

but..its all..about money/Return custom/turnover

addiction pays..thus cocaine was taken..out of coke-COLA..anD THE OTHER WORSE..caffeine installed..[your addicted..as a matter OF POLICY]..we need preservatives..because they want it on hand

if your..*not SICK..you dont need*..a docter

bUT DOCTERS WANT..REGULAR-MONEY..so give you..antibiotic.[..for flue
but antibiotic..dont do nuthin.for a virus]..so now..by over prescription/..THE WEEDS..of scientific/CAPITALIST..KILL OUR BODY

WE ARE HEARING..THAT THE HOUSE.CAN BE TOO CLEAN
that OBSESSING OVER CLEAN..IS MAKING OUR KIDS..MORE/susceptible..TO/GETTING SICK..[SO MUCH SO THE BODY..FIGHTS ITSELF..

WHAT..WILL IT TAKE..TO AWAKE..THE SLEEPERS
smoking..was cheap/..take off the tAXES..IT COSTS 5 CENTS..A DOSE
WHO CAN GET RICH..OF A TRANQUILIZING/CALMING 5 CENT/.SMOKE/EVEn at a pack..[one dallar].a day

better we..change..your ninetine addiction..into a nice prescribed/SUBSIDIZED..CASH COW..NO..5 CENT SMOKE,,now..addicted to..A $2 PIECE..OF..SURGERY GUM?..yet another..acidity/agent..[THAT ACIDIFIES OUR BODY..MAKING US Sicker..cause sickness./bacteruium/love acidic.

high alkaline..kills..many..'sickness'..but most sickness/is often/diet related..[i recall once seeing..in a dentist..good-foods bad-foods..[at the top/good..was suGer/fruit/juices ..THAT TURN THE BODY ACID..and weakens OUR TEETH..sets up habitat..for the right bacteria..THAT rots our teeth.

it was found..the cure..to kill the bacteria
but we still..got an/acidic-habitat..as long..as we maintain acidity/causations.

till you get..that..clearly..some love money..too/much.
more than serving..the ignorant to live..theiR FUTILE LIVES..YOU WILL BE DECEIVED..BY PRETENDERS..

ONE SETS IT UP..THE OTHER REAPS..IT IN/YOU SHALL HARVEST..AS YE PLANTED.

MY LORD..PLEASE STOP THE DUMB-THINK..PROFESSING=TEACHING
OR THAT..ONES PROFESSING..IS MORE TRUE GOOd..or bad false than others professing..its..their own FAITH..[IN THEIR PEERS]

peer-rage..its a mass delusion..that/their there..for you
we have..a SICKNESS SYSTEM..NOT A WELLNESS SYSTEM

THINK WHY..ONLY ONE IN FOUR OF US..CAN GET CANCER
currently we study.the one..that geTS SICK..to learn..wHY THEIR SICK

Instead of studying..the healthy..TO FIND OUT..WHY THEIR NOT

PEARL/BEFORE\$WHINE..[shills]sorry.

please think..THEY HAVE A SERPENT..ON THE CROSS
TO SIGNIFY..THE DOUBLE cROSS..Think LIKE EVE..AND HER SERPENT.

repent..

their plan=..IS..THAT/the end
OF THE USELESS/EATERS..IS NEIGH.

DONT TAKE THEIR REMEDY..IT WONT CURE YOU/ITS DESIGNED..NOT TO.
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 8:27:38 AM
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Agree Rehctub, but even those who suggest 20% be retained for our use
are unaware of what our need will be.
Their 20% suggestion is based on our current consumption.
They do not take into account what our consumption will be when we
start converting ALL our cars and trucks to CNG.

I cannot do the calculation as I do not have the truck & car metre sq
or oil equivalent consumption per km rate but I will guess that we
would need to reserve at least 80% for our use.
That would make the Gladstone project uneconomic.

The government was warned of this very problem before the project was
approved but of course they simply do not think there is a problem.
FYI, the US has already started converting their trucks to CNG and
installing CNG stations along all main highways.
Posted by Bazz, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 10:53:14 AM
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....and installing CNG stations along all main highways

I believe we have our first one in Sydney.

The whole problem is, we are in such a mess finacial,y that governments, rather than use royalty money to improve infrastructure, now rely on it to pay the every day bills, because out tax system simply can't cope anymore.

The question then is, where do we turn once this finite resource is gone?

We will still have no money and no income revenues to speak of, that's for the ones who can ride out the extreme energy prices that is.

Governments have to understand that to stimulate the economy, in a sustainable long term way, they have to put more money in people's pockets, without killing business align the way. Tax reform is their only option in my view.
Posted by rehctub, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 2:13:36 PM
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You are probably correct on tax reform.
I am no expert there, but I can see there is a problem.
Even Joe Hockey seems to see that.

I read an article some while back where it was suggested that we have
now left it too late to undertake expensive energy programs such as
nuclear or attempting to build a 100% alternative energy regime.
The reason; we no longer have the financial velocity to pay for it.
To undertake such projects we need substantial growth in the economy
and that is yesterdays economy.

You said;
The question then is, where do we turn once this finite resource is gone?

That is the fundamental question from now on. There seems no choice
to a much lower energy lifestyle using local everything
Posted by Bazz, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 3:52:12 PM
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BUT WHO WILL PAY FOR THE 'INFRASTRUCTURE.
Under one god,
we the taxpayers as always after the writing off is done.
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 6:34:22 PM
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its not in the news as..yet..but
it seems anna blight..dONE a deal[sold the land..THE MARTA HOPITAL SITS ON FOR A BUCK...SO THAT EFFECTIVELY..THEY CAN CHARGE RENT..to the govt/or sell IT..off..[or who knows]..it was kept secret

yes its TIME GOVTS WERE REIGNED IN
[i understand blight..was/is a lawyert/like peter beatup before her
thing is..will IT track/back..tO SOME PUBLIC SERVANT/and a party HEAD
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=MARTA+HOSPITAL+DEAL+1+DOLLAR

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=sbs+news+marta+hospital+sold+for+1dollar&

PETER BEATUP/WASNt he the one that rewroTE THE QLD CONSTITUTION INTO ACT 70?..OF 2002/..then siGNED IT INTO LAW.[PUTTING the 'inconvenient biTS INTO THE ADENFDum

try reading the qld con..online..one line per page[no where does it EGSIST..on one page/pdf..format[online]

peter beater also is renowned for..GIFTING HALF A BILLION[PLUS HOWRDS HALF A BILLION]..TO PAY Shareholders dividends./FOR A MA\GNESIA PLANT THAT NEVER GOT built

who was it who sold billions of forestry lands [40,000 hectares]
UNDER ONE HOUR FROM BRISBANE GPO..FOR 800.MILLION..[CUT UP/AND rezoned COMMERCIAL/UNITS ETC..its a city worth billions..]

BUT sold for under the value of the trees on it

i have had it with pros..professing things..for their mates
bah
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 20 February 2014 7:34:03 PM
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rehctub,
In simple terms no Australian resource should be allowed an export license until and unless all local needs are satisfied.
This includes natural resources, live stock, processed foods and manufactured goods.
In addition there should be a tariff barrier to protect Australian goods from unfair imports and help preserve Australian jobs.
Posted by chrisgaff1000, Saturday, 22 February 2014 9:50:48 PM
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