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Public Broadcasting V Public Works

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Taxpayers are entitled to demand that in expending the taxes taken compulsorily from them that there be due regard for the fundamentals that government was originally set up to provide and that value for money is always obtained.

There has been a proliferation of publicly-funded broadcasting and most if not all services are either made redundant by government agencies themselves or by what is readily available free from the Net and from private suppliers.

For many years the public (and taxpayers of course) have been advised by government that there is no money to provide services that have always been regarded as essential and were previously paid for out of the usual annual Budget. Consequently government introduced user pays and has withdrawn, sold off or otherwise limited services.

There are more taxes and more service limitations every day.

Since no-one has been able to put up a business case for continuing the $billion plus waste on redundant national broadcasting, the money should be directed instead into much needed and worthwhile public works. For example, LendLease has developed a new 750 bed hospital at the Gold Coast for $1.76 billion. What about instead of the national broadcaster the feds fund a new 750 bed hospital every two years? Check out this beauty,

http://www.lendlease.com/australia/projects/gold-coast-university-hospital

There are narrow bridges that regularly claim lives on Highway One, Australia's national highway. There is never the money to widen the bridges. What about some bridges every year instead of the endless stream of political comment and repeat nature programs from the proliferation of national broadcasters who are even redundant to one another?

What worthwhile projects come to mind for you?
Posted by onthebeach, Monday, 10 February 2014 12:39:31 PM
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YEAH..IM OVER THE ABC
but i want the EXTENSIVE ABC/SBS/RADIO ETC ARCHIVE Archived on line
the content belongs to all of us1

im fine selling you abc sbs..but not their archives
ITS JUST A SLUSH/FUND..ps sell the radio too..PUT IN ALEX JONES
OR BBC OR 'OTHER NEWS AGENCIES THAT COVER ONLY NEWS[SPORT/HERO'S ETC ISNT NEWS]

JUST THE FACTS..KEEP THE FACTS IN PUBLIC HANDS
you can sell off the fictions/STARS/PROPS And jocks

WE NEED MORE COMMUNITY TV
FOR TOO long abc spoke for big business and sbs for the outsiders
WE ALL NEED A VOICE..not just the fEW CHOSEN ELITES WE NOW FAVOR..EVEN THE FIRST PEOPLE HAVE THEIR OWn voice..but what about mug workers..or pensioners or dole bludgers smokers boozers over easters we dont

sure gays do..sure polICE DO..SURE MINERS FARMERS AND BIG BUSNESS DO
MEDIA STARS IM SICK OF THEM..AND THUGS BEATRING EASCH OTHER UP FOR MONEY[WHATS WITH THAT]..THATS ALL JUNK

GIVE US PUBLIC BROADCASTING RIGHTS OVER THE Archioves
puit our voice on line..the air waVES ARE CORRUPTED.
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 11 February 2014 6:55:22 AM
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OK..that said..we pay fuel excise..thats supposed TO PAY FOR ROAD/INFRASTRUCTURE..try telling govt to stop giving it to big miners farmers etc..AS THEIR 12 BILLION DOLLAR SLUSH FUND FOR MATES.

IF FUEL TAX/ALL MUST PAY
BUsiness all ready can claim..refund on busness expenses
plus who has been told that fuel tax IS A TAX DEDUCTION..ONLY THOSE In the know.

BRING IN A SIMPLE TRANSACTION TAX..TWO PERCENT..ON EVERY MONEY EXCHANGE
NO OTHER TAXES ARE NEEDED..[ACTUALY HALF a percent is enough]..but heck they been ripping us off for so long..2 percent ..is a starting point

govt cant competE..UNFAIRLY..BIASED REPORTING IS KILLING US
ITS TIME OUr facts were sorted from thE FICTIONS

retain the facts
sell of the fictions to the dreamers[those investing your compulsory*super..in fluff]..ps sell 'private'..insurance..sell nbn..sell the govt PUBLIC SRRVICE SLUS PENSION FUND.

RETURN to legal tender
[coin silver/gold coin..see federal constitution 115][117]

govt only can pay/recieve..in coin
tax the paper..coin is GST FREE[OR SHOULD BE]
GST ON CREDIT/notes..only..[notes are commerce]
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 11 February 2014 7:11:13 AM
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I'm getting sick of pushing this but 'ere goes. FLAT Tax !
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 12 February 2014 6:25:05 AM
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dear indy..FLAT TAX..is what the rich want
they earn their flat tax/minumum..then live off the family trust fund/tax free

the richest people..dont own anything govt can tax[its safly hidden..in the tax free family trust..in a tax haven/full stop

at best your flat tax means if i give a kid 20 dollars the kid owes two bucks to govt[policehave better things to do than fill up the courts with kids not payingtax

OH I HEAR YOU BLEAT YET AGAIN..but kids are EXEMPT
THATS A LOOPP HOLE THE RICH CAN DRIVE US BROKE BY

tax transactions mate/every transaction/no matter how brief
currently..they buy and sell in micro seconds..one second its gone/next second its back[they built nuthin..yet/make trillions each year playing [reaping pillaging.stealing your money..simply because..their..more clever than you.

they would love a 20 percent tax cut..and taxing your kids.
love it..i mean they really get off on useful IGNORANT S Pushing to taX KIDS.

please get up to speed INDI
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 12 February 2014 6:38:19 AM
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under one god,
Flat tax gets rid of writing off or so it should. Saying this or that doesn't work without actually trying it is pointless. Everyone pays the same rate, full stop ! It's not the 20% that makes them rich, it's all the writing off. Everyone whinges about the tax system yet when an alternative is proposed it gets shot down without actually thinking about its potential. Unless of course you believe that one taxpayer can write off his fuel to go fishing & another can't, is a fair thing. I think it stinks & I for one would like to see this change. you like being under one God but not under one tax system, strange indeed. I wonder what this God of yours would say if his superstitious admirers couldn't write off their property investments. I suppose it's all good for you now as it is. I think it stinks.
Just imagine if we had a hypocrisy tax. You'd need to sell your club houses & talk superstition in public parks.
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 12 February 2014 5:30:46 PM
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INDY..WEARE VERY CLOSE..but me and the clubman[who says it better than i]..agree 2%..[flat tax on every transaction..BUT you want ten..on what wage earners and bosses..but not on those senDING US BRoke

MATE..please see THAT THE MEGGA RICH..trade cash in seconds
buy and sell again..THOUSANDS OF TIMES A SECOND
NO SOONER BUYING SELLING IN A Blink of the eye/by frontrunning trying to movethemarket

even 'selling stuff they dont even own/but then bying it back
cause they sold A PROMISE for TWO APPLES..AND THEN BOUGHT TWO APPLES
NEVER ACTUALLY MAKING THINGS..ONLY STEALING

MATE..if your on the same exchange,..as the stockmARket
you can know of a big movment,,upto three seconds before anyone else

so bying selling in micro seconds is insider trading
or theft..thats who your giving the 'tax cut to'

currently [CLUBBERS WOULD KNOW better]..but currentLY AS CLUBERs has said..he pays 500plus..under our way he pays 40..UNDER YOUR WAY 200

YOUR WAY IS AS BAD AS the current one
tax money movement..not profit [ie INCOME][..nor wage]
nor death..nor fuel..nor any other tax or levie...point 5%..returns us to the good old pre hyperinflation stage..that debased the queens coin[the only lawfull tax FREE LEGAL TENDER.,,SEE FED CONSTITUTION 115

but stuff em lets go the 2 %..for the living 4 %..for corporations.trust taX HAVENS FRONT RUNNING..BY GOLDMAN/SAX AND hrh the house..of HAMBERG
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 12 February 2014 6:24:00 PM
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uog,
All these things you mention are the $hit that goes on presently. Start with a new system & gradually change the lot. So what if they make a million in 10 seconds they'd still pay 200,000 tax on that with a, say 20% flat tax the moment it went into their coffers.. That's a hell of a lot more than what they're paying now. With a flat tax it could be worked that the tax is taken off before the money is paid into an account. Nowadays any computer system could do that.
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 12 February 2014 7:16:06 PM
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indi..tax avoiders dont want a new system
BEause under any new system..they know..will be after THEM..AVOIDING TAX ON THEM.

but its a numbers game..to defeat the intrenched exploiters needs numbers[which meaNS WE NEED to share a more fair sysTEM..with bosses[THE PEONS CANT DO IT THEMSELVES]..they need a unity ticket

well those bosses..[in main street/know they too pay too much
THEY also know too how wall street gets the freee use of the system'gets the bailouts and has perfected shifting the tax burden onto the sub-burbs and maIN..STREET...[EVEN PENSIONERS AND UN/UNDER EMPLOYED

tax burden is killing us
then just today imf say lower dollar[for US]..ie higher priceS
PLUS MORE TAX..[the imf funny enough = wall street[soyOU SEE..your either wiTH US..OR THEM

have you got private trust fund..to avoid tax
do you pay your rent income to another trust you own..then have the nerve to claim rent as an expense

well imf /wall street do
with US..or against us

joe hOOKY..IS WITH IMF/WATCH more cash to the fed[to drag down tHE MIGHTY DOLLAR..PLUS more taxes on you not wall mstreet..money GUYS[HE MARRIED A BANKER]..imf is his god..he olds an ewmpty treasury

even worse the thieves never paid tax
but note too..we sold joes bank[common weaLTH]..FOR 8 BILLION
IT JUST NOw returned a half year proffit..of 4 and a half billion

thats not because 'private money creation'/powers..now belong to us..but to wall street/imf..ITS RAPE PILLAGE AND PLUNDER

GHANDI SAID NO TAX ON SALT
USA SAID NO TAX ON Tea..no taxation without representation

joe hooky represents the bankers stealing your purse and tHE TREASURY BLIND..[YES WE GOT GOVT DEBT..STOP GOVT..GIVING BAILOUTS TO ITS MATES/ITS TREASON.
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 13 February 2014 5:25:06 AM
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indi..tax avoiders dont want a new system
uog,
I'll be damned, who'd have ever thought this. I don't give a hoot what these morons want, it's what they get is what bothers me so much.
Of course the greed merchants will fight tooth & nail but that's our challenge & I'm surprised how little interest there is in curbing greed. Even those who condemn greed are greedy themselves so what alternative is there ?
Posted by individual, Thursday, 13 February 2014 6:22:16 AM
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Indi, not a disciple of the great Ivan Boesky, the inspiration behind the Gordon Gekko character in the movie 'Wall Street'.
Boesky was a big-time stock trader who hustled his way to riches betting on corporate takeovers. On May 18, 1986 at the University of California, Berkeley, he shared these lustrous pearls of wisdom with business school students:

“Greed is all right, by the way. I want you to know that. I think greed is healthy. You can be greedy and still feel good about yourself.”

Boesky clearly felt very good about himself at the time. But not for long. Several months after the address, Boesky was nabbed by the SEC when it found that his stock manipulations were often based on tips from corporate insiders which is –oopsie! – illegal. Mr. Greed soon found himself in possession of a nice prison cell.

In the 1990's “Greed is good” became the catchphrase for Wall Street callousness and excess.
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 13 February 2014 6:49:42 AM
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..tax avoidance dont want a new system
but if they 'had' TO..THEY WILL TAKE YOURS.. ANYWAY

any tax is theft
govt can issue its own money intrest free
we only got tax after bankers threatend to declare govt bankrupt..and stole our treasuries state BANKS COMONWEALTH BANK ETC ETC

we only got intrest to pay back bank created money
then they have the nerve to make is pay for using our own money

think mate..one rate/flat rate banbfee applies
regardless if the 'transaction=5 cents or 50,000,000 trillion
we pay 2 bucks..they pay two bucks[but our two dollars..is endless

BUT THEIR TRADING THE MOST
YET WE CARRY ITS COST?

its time the FINANCE USER Pays..
ie..transaction tax over flat tax
USE MORE PAY MORE..THAT should be the just law.
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 13 February 2014 8:39:54 AM
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Rather than the Press that the ABC is being 'threatened' the news reports should instead be insisting that government be accountable and always demonstrate value for (taxpayers') money is always being obtained.

One's politics shouldn't come into this. It is simply a case of government always avoiding open and direct consultation with the public on its priorities for expending the funds taken compulsorily for the public. There is also a lack of discipline: even where grudgingly stated, the goals of governmental programs are deliberately broad and wooly and public agencies continually avoid any real measurement of outcomes, which is necessary for accountability.

Public agencies and particularly quasi-autonomous agencies 'quangos' like the ABC once established are very murky about their goals and measurable outcomes, preferring broad 'motherhood' statements instead. Yet they do siphon considerable funds from the federal (and States) tax bucket.

If the ABC wants money it should be required annually to put forward the sort of business case that any subsidiary of a private company is routinely required to submit. Instead, its well paid senior managers have unassailable positions that amount to sinecures and they can easily avoid anything but superficial scrutiny and accountability. That is simply not good enough. It is arrogance, insensitivity and casualness (damned cowards for not being accountable, many private business people would say) at a time when both sides of government are telling the public that there is no money for the fundamental purposes for which government was established in the first place.
Posted by onthebeach, Thursday, 13 February 2014 10:52:13 AM
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