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Infinity = -1/12

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cs/MISS-quote..<<..the physicists are finding their calculations are being verified in the real world.>>..

NON-SENSe..one needs ask/define..which ones
economists?
http://www.infowars.com/how-junk-economists-help-the-rich-impoverish-the-working-class/

[even a dead..clock..is right twice A DAY.]

SEE THE FRAUD..REVEALED by..The ‘Pause’ of Global Warming
THAT..Risks Destroying The Reputation Of any model-bling/Science
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/01/26/the-pause-of-global-warming-risks-destroying-the-reputation-of-science/

…there has been no significant warming
over the most recent fifteen or so years…

In the light of all this, we have at least to consider the possibility that the scientific establishment behind the global warming issue has been drawn into the trap of seriously overstating the climate problem … in its effort to promote the cause.

It is a particularly nasty trap in the context of science, because it risks destroying, perhaps for centuries to come, the unique and hard-won reputation for honesty which is the basis of society’s respect for scientific endeavour…

HAWKING RE THINKS HIS BLackhole numbers
http://www.bobtuskin.com/2014/01/27/black-hole-theory-my-biggest-blunder-stephen-hawking-says/

MORE RE 666
BY..the fact-or..of 911
http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2014/01/26/401954-israeli-militarism-predicated-on-911-deception/
http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2014/01/27/israeli-engineered-911-gateway-to-war-of-civilizations-between-the-west-and-the-muslim-world/

666..by the number of the thIRD..[the REICKE..numbers]
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1556520778/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_7?ie=UTF8&psc=1

DEGREES OF SEPPERation
http://investmentwatchblog.com/dr-doom-scenario-it-looks-like-1914-again-world-war-coming/

http://www.blacklistednews.com/President_Roosevelt%E2%80%99s_Campaign_To_Incite_War_in_Europe%3A_The_Secret_Polish_Documents/32414/0/38/38/Y/M.html

http://www.cracked.com/article_20835_5-organizations-that-gamed-system-screwed-public.html

http://whatreallyhappened.com/
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 30 January 2014 8:57:13 AM
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When making statements about mathematics one should use mathematical, not some popularized (or mysticized) terminology.

The expression 1+2+3+… = +infinity is a popularized way of saying that the limit of 1+2+3+…+n as n tends to infinity is +infinity. In this sense 1-1+1-1+1-… would stand for the limit of 1-1+1-…+(-1)^n as n tends to infinity, which does not exist, as every student of first year calculus would know. You can derive all sorts of nonsense from something that does not exist, like e.g. 1/0.

>>The physicists are happy bending mathematical rules to suit what they find in their real world experiments<<

This is true to some extent, although “replacing intuition for mathematical rigour” would be a better description of this: For instance, the Dirac function, that sounded like something mathematically self-contradictory, was used by physicists until Laurent Schwarz came with the mathematically precise concept of generalized functions (distributions) that fitted also the Dirac function. Also the Feynmann path integral, used in quantum field theory, still lacks a mathematically rigorous definition (at least did so in my time).

However this is not our case: any physicist would have learned about convergent and divergent series in a first year maths course .

Foxy,

The silly video is not about the concept of infinity (or many infinities as developed by Cantor) as such but about the concept of convergent (to infinity) and divergent series.
Posted by George, Thursday, 30 January 2014 9:22:31 AM
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My thought is that infinity in this case includes all the negative and all the positive numbers, so in reality what is proved here is that when you take all the bad things and subtract it from all the good things your down the tube by 1/12, which proves mathematically Fraser was right "Life was not meant to be easy"

I am most likely wrong but the way I interpret the result is that the set in this case includes all the negative numbers as well as the positive numbers therefore the common sense answer should be zero and in fact what is proved is that 1-1 +2-2 +3-3...=-1/12. If we permit the use of negative numbers in our proof we must include them in the original equation.
Posted by warmair, Thursday, 30 January 2014 9:40:05 AM
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Dear individual,

The numberphile crew do explore the number 666. If you are interested the link is below.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkZqFtYtqaI

Dear OUG,

Your reticence to countenance the notion is understandable. For 'God in his infinite wisdom' to become 'God in his -1/12 wisdom' kinda doesn't have the same ring to it does it. ;)

Dear belly,

Another thing the Numberphile crew explore is whether or not the Simpsons live in a base 8 world seeing as they all have 4 fingers. But there is one character in the Simpsons who has 5 fingers and it is the reason why they live in a base 10 world. Watch the video below to find out who that character is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkZqFtYtqaI

Dear Foxy,

As I said earlier I am a Math cripple as well but understand enough to get a real kick out of this sort of stuff. If it has you going off to do more exploring as it did for me then that can only be a good thing. What has captured my imagination as well is the apparent contest of ideas between mathematicians and physicists. I have liked the two to accountants and artists respectfully. If fact I see physics as the language of the Gods.

Here is a video exploring 4 paradoxes of infinity you might find fun, Hilbert Hotel, Gabriel's Trumpet, The Puzzle of the Dart Board, and Double Your Money.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDl7g_2x74Q
Posted by SteeleRedux, Thursday, 30 January 2014 9:40:29 AM
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Dear George,

Welcome.

I'm finding it fascinating that mathematical types really go after these two physicists right from the get go as you have just done, questioning their capabilities and their worth.

Here are a couple of quotes from another discussion I have been having;

“It really worries me that the video has over a million hits from people most probably having not studied university level maths, as it is tricking them (and yourself) into believing it can be that simple. I have done first year university maths and from the study over several weeks that we did on sequences and series it can be seen why his proof just doesn't work.”

“Both those physicists are full of it”

“Just because a certain number of people believe it doesn't make it right (although I am sure you would love to talk religion on that matter). 
To me rather than seeing that those physicists believe it, just to me discredits their reputation, and has serious implications for the institutions that employ them.”

Yet why is it that I can accept that the physicists and the editor were dumbing things down to make a Youtube friendly clip while others seemed to be incapable of it. Here is a link to their more complete treatment of the concept, even that is probably a far cry from what they are capable of.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-d9mgo8FGk&sns=em

Anyway I suppose it is incumbent on me to provide you something with greater weight so he is a Fullbright Fellow Carl Bender tackling the subject of the 1-1+1-1+1...=1/2 which seems to be the sticking point for so many.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvqeJkT3uyo#t=3834

And a question from me is how do you view the Ramanujan Summation? Did he have it wrong or is your issue purely with the video?
Posted by SteeleRedux, Thursday, 30 January 2014 10:13:51 AM
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FOXey/quoTE..,,..<<the "point at infinity" is defined as the
intersection of all parallel lines.>>

THIS Reminds..me of a simulate
THE star of david..HAS THREE SETS..of paralleled lines
WITH 6 POINTS OF INTERSECTION..forming the hex-0-Gone..AND THE 6 ISOLATED SMALLER triangles..[fiefdoms]..

IN REALITY THE PARALLELED..lines never CAN CROSS
except by clever trick/points of commonality ..[hypothesized intersection]..or 'artistic license'..BUT VISUALLY ALONE ..[Known as the vanishing point..]

[OUT OF SIGHT=OUT OF our DULLED LOGIC Of mind]..
Feigned seeing=feigned believing...if its nonsense THE MATH wONT ADD UP...[and it wont compute].

thIS INSANITY REMINDS ME OF THE TRAIN..THAT NEVER ARRIVES..by the same insane logic...[YET TRAINS DO ARRIVE]..CALL that fuzzy logic..or intersecting vanishing points..or satanic illusIONS..but god alone=1]
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 30 January 2014 10:24:26 AM
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