Ludwig old mate you truely do not understand the issue or what I am talking about

ChrisGaff sorry you too, bloke 73 dead motorists or passengers, just in my job site.
Nights of horror rain tears and mentally broken road workers and one very special Sergent of police.
Early ninety's NSW RTA lead this country, discarding the throw a few signs up and put the most useless on flagman job.
Training started soon to be followed by every state.
A traffic control plan, one out of the manual or hand made for the site MUST BE IN PLACE.
Every level of worker involv3ed must have his/her ticket and it is renewed by law every three years.
Courts would goal ANY ONE NOT HAVE THE RIGHT PLAN after a death.
Traffic controllers one day course is no push over the two hour test unforgiving of not understanding.
Few know the star of the RTA first training video was a very young Kiwi born part owner of south Sydney league team Russel Crow.
As a union official a HWP cop recruited me to get in his car and give evidence to a construction firm its signs had been wrongly placed.
My photo is saw a big fine levied, they had put 60 k signs up along side 100 s and not covered the existing ones.
Ludwig signs on both sides of the road are mandatory in most plans and part of the high visibility factor for the above reasons.
Any road worker reading this will shudder that persons are so uninformed about conditions in their work place.

<< Belly, I fully understand what you are saying. I have no problem with it.

But you have completely misunderstood what I was saying. And as a result you are incorrectly thinking poorly of me.

Those who manage speed limits at roadworks need to realise that there is a very real and present danger if they put up signs that people think are patently too slow. This riles people. It makes some people behave in a manner that they would not normally behave, which increases the risks to themselves, other road-users and workers at the site. A dangerous schism is created between the ‘normal’ driver who basically ignores temporary slow speed signs that they think are patently too slow and the driver who wishes to obey the law.

This situation is heightened in the lead-out zone from the actual roadwork site to the point where you can legally resume normal speed.

These zones are often absurdly long. And yet I can see any reason AT ALL why there can’t be a return to normal speed very soon after the end of the works area, in most cases. And indeed if this was to be implemented as standard practice, it would surely make it less stressful and significantly safer for all concerned.

Let’s get RID of absurd long lead-out zones at roadworks, where for some completely unknown reason the standard procedure is to have the return to normal speed at the same point as the first temporary slow speed sign on the approach to the site on the other side of the road!

Ludwig excuse me please and except my sorry mate.
I have refrained from telling all my story, a contributor here once my very best mate some times lets the green monster out about my union job.
But I drove this issue even opening up my office, with full permission, and working all day Saturday and Sunday unpaid.
I sent e mails and letters to every one! tens of them hundreds in fact.
We had to stop the deaths, Ludwig, Government departments are experts in failure.
And while the laws are good.
Educating the public is non existent.
I showed you why speed restrictions like that exist, the re-occurring 80 klm.
If a death took place, and these signs had not been in place.
Those in charge, rightly so could be sent to prison.
But yes you are in part right, I could name a traffic control plan, lay it out here sign by sign, but it now needs the traveling public to know part of what I know.
Because SOME do drive too fast because lack of education and understanding leaves them thinking it is OK.
Just to set up my most used traffic control plan here, on paper TCP 83 OR 84 would take three posts and the same hour it takes in real life

taxation. The government alone collected trillions of dollars in taxes. And what happens if you do not pay taxes? You are beaten, threatened, and locked in a cage. And those taxes were used to kill, assassinate, and loot people in third world countries. What happens if you try to build your own road or start your own police agency, or try to compete with the electric company? The mafia comes in and tells you that you aren’t allowed. What if you want to start a business? Well, you must obtain a special license. What if you want to own a gun or start a protest? You must have a special permit for that too. What if you want to collect rain water, sell lemonade, grow certain plants, get married to someone you love……….well you need special permissions from the government to do all of those things too. What if you decide to not wear your seat belt? Well, the government will arrest you, extort you of your money, even though there is no immediate victim, and tell you, “we are doing this for your own good because someone “might” get hurt in the future.”

While the government’s little brother is the media. The media will tell you that violence is “cool,” being slutty is the new “classy,” and having a bad attitude makes you “hip.”
http://www.thedailysheeple.com/do-you-consent-to-be-governed-myths-and-facts_012014
In reality, the government in conjunction with the entertainment media outlets literally ARE the matrix. The matrix is just a fancy word for a monopolized, pacified, farmed, and controlled society. And the worst part is that, the very people whom receive this message will try to kill me, taunt me, or call me crazy, because they are so dependent, utterly reliant, comfortable, and in-love with the system, that they will defend it to their last breath, especially those who benefit from it the most (police, politicians, military, investors, welfare recipients, lobbyists etc…).

Belly,

I also worked on the roads and I can sympathize, however I worked for a Shire Council not the RTA but we built major roadworks to RTA specs and under their ultimate authority.
I particularly remember one long downhill straight in which we were ordered to construct an artificial hump as the RTA's view was that unobstructed vision would lead to people speeding.

On the other hand, and you made this point, I had a local rate payer complain that every time she drove past them the Tar Gang were standing by the side of the road. She was a bit embarrassed when I told her the reason!
Your other point about the worker perceived to be the most useless being on safety point. I was doing test drills in a blind cutting using a drilling rig mounted on a large tractor and my point men were sent out to warn traffic.

I did a drill and as I was moving the rig I spotted one of them standing just a few metres away.
Naturally I asked him (politely, and with a suitably modulated voice!!)why he wasn't up the road.

Reply: "There was no traffic".

Yep. We’ve completely lost it with temporary speed limit signs. It seems that temporary slow speed limits for roadworks, in the complete absence of any roadworks, has become the new norm!!

Having just driven up from Sydney to Noosa, there are many examples of this!!

What’s going on??

Is it just incredible sloppiness on the part of whoever manages this stuff? Or is there a deliberate trap-setting motive, whereby the police know they will get a good return from booking speeders in these zones?

Or both?

They seem to be the ONLY possibilities!