They roll from the key board here as free as the wind Fabian/lefty/extremist all words to describe the greens or ALP.
Some, a fact truth demands us to see and understand, exist.
What however of Cory Bernardi? and his few more than a few?
Recent comments are only the tip of a very big iceberg in relation to this man.
It is my view Australia like myself is uninterested in extremes from any side.
But hopefully those posting about Fabians and such can take a real look at the extremes finding a home in this government.

Belly, the Liberal Party is well known for it ability to throw up the regular screw ball, wacko, religions wombat, etc. They have a "proud" history of it. As for Bernardi take you pick.
Has Bernardi ever met The Mad Monks sister? Or has he ever met Bruce Notley-Smith the local Liberal state member for Coogee.

Well Belly, think of it like this;
There is an ideal water temperature for a bath.
If it is not warm enough, you add some boiling water.
That brings it to a nice temperature.

Look at the senator as a jug full of boiling water.
The result is very nice, moderated by the cooler water.

A political party should not be made up of cardboard cutouts of the leader.
A healthy party should discuss, even argue loudly about policies.

Some seem to try & impose a uniform appearance.

Dear Belly,

Are you referring to Bernardi's statement that "Surely an employee should be free to negotiate an acceptable workplace agreement directly with their employer... free from government or union interference" as extreme?

I would go further: who has a right in the first place to label a person "an employee" (and his friend "an employer")?

In the bottom line we have two people who freely want to enter a deal between them (one which doesn't hurt anyone else), then someone else comes and tells them it would be illegal and that if they proceed with that deal, then one of them or both will be thrown in jail.

So is disagreeing with such violence conducted in my name (after all, we are presumably in a democracy, so they say) an extreme view?

I have spent many months in U.S.A. over a period of 20 years. I have witnessed a campaign to reduce abortion which is now manifest in several states legislating to do just that. Why is this happening?
Because many young people are aligning themselves with the pro-life sentiments based on their own experiences. They love their life and respect the right of others to be born. Bernardi has offered those of us in Australia a chance to again focus on whether a society should allow any destuction of life at all. We are horrified when we read of female mutilation and have laws which punish it. In Victoria we have a law which allows abortion of a foetus simply because it is female.
What is wrong with having this debate?
Unwiley

Dear Unwiley,

Nothing is wrong with having this debate, but so long as it is common practice to slaughter harmless animals, there is no chance for any pro-life campaign. After all, grown-up animals are more developed - physically, mentally and emotionally than a foetus. Their pain and loss are greater than that of a yet-to-be-conscious foetus who is yet unaware of their potential in life.

Belly,
Maybe you should read more than the smh before you accuse someone of being extremist. The smh will publish anything that is critical of the current government or any of its members.

You maybe surprised to find you agree with some of Benardi's views. Like on Islam, I notice his are similar to yours. Maybe also on the illegal boat arrivals as well. Some Labor MPs do not agree with homosexual marriage or abortion on demand, so does that make them extremist or give the ALP a lurch to the right.

I wonder if you agree with the immigration views of one particular Labor MP or should he be removed for not toeing the party line.

There are many that do not agree with the word marriage for homosexual unions and many who have serious reservations about the number of abortions carried out, including myself. Does that alone mean I am extreme and what about your views on Islam.

Cory speaks to much truth for even his own party to stomach. Good to see a man who speaks the truth.

Yuyutsu, When Maria the cleaner sits down with the boss to sign a new workplace agreement. Will the the scenario go like this;
Jim the boss has popped around (called first to see if it was okay) to Maria's house to nut out a workplace agreement.
All very lardy dah, with Maria producing her version of the agreement, with what she would like, and boss Jim with his. After some warm and fuzzy discussion a mutual agreement is reach which includes some of Maria's points and some of Jims, oh so nice. Maria got $5 an hour more and a extra weeks holiday, she did ask for $10 and 2 weeks more holidays, but compromise was reached, considering Jim offered nothing more. In fact Maria gave up her 17 1/2% loading to get the extra.
Talk about cloud cuckoo land
The real scenario will be;
Maria like all employees in turn will be summoned to the Bosses office presented with a workplace agreement to be signed as a 'fait accompli'. Any dissension will be treated as rabble rousing and trouble making. "Find another job" will be the alternative offer to workers without industrial clout, poor English, no union, few skills, the young, many females, which will be the majority.
Are some just naive or do they peddle that BS line about workplace agreements because they want to take away a workers right to collective barging and better outcome for themselves. Agreements reached with union input are always far better for the worker that any kind of individual agreement, ever will be.

Dear Paul,

In one paragraph you made at least 10 assumptions:

1. Jim is a boss.
2. Maria is an employee.
3. Jim has other employees.
4. Jim has an office.
5. The agreement is standard and was not discussed.
6. The situation is "industrial".
7. The conversation was in English and Maria doesn't speak English well.
8. Maria is young (yet doesn't speak English well...)
9. Maria has few skills.
10. Jim and Maria are essentially hostile to each other.

So for the sake of the worst scenario you are willing to intrude and inflict yourself on innocent happy people whom you don't know and who never asked for your assistance:

For example:
Jim is a busy person, so he asked his aunt, Maria, a skilled technician who recently retired and feels bored, to fix his computer. They agreed (in French) that she would do so for $5/hour. They are fond of each other and exchanged no papers about this deal.

Knock knock, comes the union official with two policemen: "Jim, you are an employer; Maria, you are an employee; this is an industrial situation and you are engaging in an illegal activity, so off you two to jail!"

By the way, I never suggested that workers cannot use collective bargaining and the services of a union - those who want.

This will not go down well, a line has been crossed. The mad monk will see to it that he has been taken out of context.

Paul 1405,

You're on the ball.

In union there is strength.

If anyone doubts then just ask a veneer in a sheet of ten ply.

Belly,

Leaders of the Labor Party and practically all ministers when they were in government either used 'Fabian Socialist' or 'Progressive' to describe themselves. Both of which are covers the same thing, International Socialism. Fact is, they cannot be relied upon to put Labor first let alone Australia. Where they say they are signed up to International Socialism people should take them at their word.

To add insult to injury, while voters though they were electing women to uphold traditional Labor values, in fact those women were already secretly sworn to the beliefs and interests of (left) Emily's List. Emily's List is about cronyism, manipulating people and events to install them in jobs in lieu of more deserving people, including women of course.

What about some truth in Labor advertising? Labor is long lost, the victim of a takeover. Here, in passing, Pickering describes the culture of Labor. If he is wrong, sue him:

http://pickeringpost.com/story/is-the-prime-minister-a-crook-part-iii/351

Instead of providing argument to counter Cory Bernardi's honestly held views you try to poison the well by attacking him personally. If only some of those Labor leaders who mislead you by posing as traditional Labor when they serve other interests, but especially their own, would be as straight down the line as Cory Bernardi. Agree or disagree, he is a straight shooter.

Now, would you like to confirm or deny that Bill Shorten is a Fabian?

As a concession to Belly it should be stated up-front that while senior Labor figures are Fabian aka 'Progressive' aka Internationalist Socialist, they are champions of capitalism when it comes to putting out their paws for extreme salaries and benefits, and parliamentary golden handshakes.

Why is it that regardless of their claimed humble beginnings, Labor ex-PMs are rolling in wealth and are international jet-setters?

Yet there are men and women who window shop steak at the local butchers and buy a small pack of Coles 'wonder bag' sausages instead, who worship the Julia Whatshernames and that fellow who replaced her, Mr Whatever-she-said'. A Coles banger would have more spine than Shorten.

Mr Whatever-she-said,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLwCyn1nOP0

Dear Belly,

Senator Cory Bernardi has always been controversial
and now he's got a book to promote, "Conservative
Revolution." However Prime Minister Tony Abbott has
moved to distance himself from the Liberal Senator and
has stated that the Senator's views do not reflect those
of the government or government policy. In all fairness
to the Senator, he did not actually state that he's
against abortion, only that he wants to raise this, and
other issues for "discussion." Be that as it may, the
Senator is entitled to his views, and I dare say that
quite a few people in this country - will agree with him.

Cory Bernardi is a Lurch alright but he's no "right winger", Left vs Right is collectivism vs individualism, as a professing Christian Bernardi is definitely a collectivist and at the extreme Left theocracy sits beside Communism.

The beach comer is a bit of a spark. How about asking Abbott when the boats are going to stop as promised in the first 100 days. In the meanwhile Nauru is expanding like never before. So what happened to the tents. Some here are on very thin ice, even the tree planting exercise has been laughed out of existence.

https://www.google.com.au/#q=cory+bernardi
Never hard to find a quote about Corey,usually he fights to be different than his party.
Y you are an strange bloke! how did you ever in this days climate think I was talking about that point.
Bazz well said but I disagree firmly, one bad apple mate.
Lets leave our biases in the bucket at the door.
Both sides have extreme members.
Rather pleased to say Labors nuts are never going to rule or have influence, we do have some.
Corey like an ex Liberal now PUP Palmer, has no chance of ruling us, not enough are willing to vote for them.
But Bernardi was a close mate to Abbott.
Let me be frank the type here who slander Labor as Fabian ext ext MUST confront this blokes radicalism and ask why he got a seat.
Hansen had no less radical thoughts and views and was dumped.
SOME of today,s Liberals are too far right and in the end see more supporters go than those they bring with them.

Dear Belly,

<<Y you are an strange bloke! how did you ever in this days climate think I was talking about that point.>>

My apologies, but with your extensive involvement in the trade-union over so many years, I could naturally expect this point of Bernardi to be of the highest concern to you.

Belly "They roll from the key board here as free as the wind"

Yes, lurch even slightly to the right and you're a "fascist" "Nazi"'.
Even when you're a classical liberal minarchist (moi).

Bazz "A healthy party should discuss, even argue loudly about policies."

Indeed. But when someone tries, they're denounced as a "ratbag".
I say we need the ratbags! (We'd be bored to death without them).

Yuyutsu "there is no chance for any pro-life campaign"

But there isn't one.

People have varying opinions about the life and death of livestock, foetuses, serial killers, feral cats, lethal viruses, suicidal cancer patients, invading armies, cane toads, mosquitoes.

Plants are alive. Should we never "kill" them, for food, for timber, for wedding decorations?
There is not one "life/death" issue, they are all separate issues.

"The prime minister’s office issued a short statement that said: "Senator Bernardi is a backbencher and his views do not represent the position of the government.”
(Guardian newspaper 6-1-2014)

If the Mad Monk himself is distancing himself from this fundamentalist Christian's views, then I doubt any of Bernardi's archaic views will ever be taken seriously, thank goodness.

I was particularly disgusted re his views on IVF and surrogacy.
I wonder would he have felt that way if he wasn't able to have kids?

Runner, this bozo must be your kindred spirit, with all his similar holy 'views'?
You must be shattered Abbott sacked him from the front bench for his last disgusting comments on bestiality...

Belly, " the type here who slander Labor as Fabian"

The Labor leaders ARE Fabians though. They say so themselves.

Fabian Socialist = 'Progressive' = International Socialist = Communist -Make that cafe latte communist. They are educated middle class elite after all.

Belly, that lot have been pulling the wool over honest hard-working men and women for years. You likely didn't take notice of what your gut has been telling you for years about that crew.

Honestly, just look at their behaviour. Have you ever witnessed such selfishness, greed and living the high life as when they got their hands on the tiller? The Fabians, the self-defined wolves in sheep's clothing (their logo is a black wolf hiding in the skin of a sheep) sure are tricky and from the looks of it they always put themselves and their mates first. So much for workers and what about Julia Whatshername's attitude to age pensioners?

I don't know how far up the Labour Party hierarchy Belly operated
but he is probably typical of many in the party that never get to spend
very much time with the the Fabian group to whom OTB is referring.

I suspect that the Labour party comprises the on the job employees that
are job delegates and local branch members in one part.
The other part is the cafe latte & Chardonnay Fabians and theoretical
socialists from inner Melbourne.

About the only time the twain shall meet is at preselection time.

Am I right Belly ?
I don't think the party can really recover until
that division is removed one way or another.
The problem as I see it is that the general public realises that this
division exists and knows which half it prefers.

So you'll all found some to hate....well done olo....well done.

Planet3

http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CDAQuAIwAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DV5vDTbxnMXc&ei=KmPNUuayBsXyoASssIDQAg&usg=AFQjCNHgOdyIuIml7NK81knavKOKnVirkg&bvm=bv.58187178,d.cGU

PLANET3

c.j MORGAN was right...Iam neutral....I told you all, a very long time ago...

planet3

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/08/cory-bernardi-hints-at-legal-action-over-gay-obsession-jibe
First the link, not about sex with animals, a point Bernardi was first forced of the front bench for.
Not a Labor slander but just what it is, mad words divisive words Liberal against Liberal.
NOW can we all see the anti Labor anti union anti me thoughts on display ?
All because I while condemning extremes in my camp pointed out they exist in the Liberals too.
Being rude enough to say extremes in both camps, are not supported by the mainstream.
Bernardi is not good for Liberalism.

Labor still has the words Socialist in its constitution, but ignores it, knowing we in part, country not party, are already so in public transport education health and welfare.
Who wants to reduce those?
Fabian once strong world wide has a few who still are, all over the world, trying to bring life back to the skeleton of this long dead beast.
True Labor understands keeping as much as we can from my list above is hard work and the best we can expect.
What satisfaction is found by tory,s here in slagging off Labor while ignoring the trouble Cory is creating in Liberal ranks?

My guess is this year we will see a great deal of this breaking ranks, with the frustration of not being able to say anything for themselves before the election. Turnbull was the only one that went close to saying what he wants to a point. Now the NBN is in blowout mode and underdeveloped and may as well be forgotten about until we get some sanity reinstalled in govt; again. Abbott was imposed as a one man band with silent puppets as infill. Nothing good will come from this shamozel known as govt;

'Runner, this bozo must be your kindred spirit, with all his similar holy 'views'?
You must be shattered Abbott sacked him from the front bench for his last disgusting comments on bestiality. '

sorry Susie it takes a lot more than a sacking to shatter me. When Christians all around the world are being locked up, tortured and murdered, losing a job for speaking the truth is a minor price to pay.

The monk, Bernardi, religion has plenty to answer for. The greatest con this world has ever seen.

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'The monk, Bernardi, religion has plenty to answer for. The greatest con this world has ever seen. '

might agree until I listen to the absolute rot the athiest come up with. Guilt free baby murder, gross immorality and no logic. Give me reasoned faith anyday.

Bernadi, while being on the fringe of the coalition can't be called an extremist as most of his views while not representative of the majority of Australians (incl myself) are mainstream within the population.

To get extremist views you need to look at the far right One nation party, or the far Left Greens, where you will find screwballs disconnected with reality.

As far as employee negotiations are concerned, while union thuggery might get employees higher wages in the short term, businesses that don't take on the unions head on usually close eventually, as has happened in the car industry, and is happening to Quantas.

The proof of the pudding is that with AWAs (brought in by Keating) the average real wage of the bottom quarter of Australians rose more under Howard than any other comparable decade in Australian history.

Under Labor, productivity has plummeted, and businesses are closing left right and center.

OTB I am writing extremely slowly please try to keep up.
I wizz past your posts, but see my name on them flicker AS I travel past please aDdress your comments to others not me I NEVER READ THEM.
I started this thread about a man CLEARLY out of touch with his own party.
I even stated SOME just as damaging to the whole, exist in the ALP.
Some truly stunning defenders of the bloke prove, conservatives never find fault in their team!
Cory opens wounds and as in my link takes on his own side publicly.
I however am blessed by the humor I find in the anti ALP fixed right no need to think reply's!
Look honestly I never knew fair dinkum, not a clue.
That to be a Conservative supporter you had to lock your brain away!
Never guessed, should have, once known so much becomes clear.

SM is still denying we have a new govt; Albeit in isolation from themselves. Lost at sea you could say. Even the fat boy has gone into hiding, this govt; has come to office with no policy and no idea how to make one. Can anyone imagine the next 100 days. Every business has a business plan, Abbott has a pile of decaying slogans and nothing else.
A veil of secrecy surrounds us all, not allowed to know what is going on. No direction and no idea.

SM,
You labelled One Nation as extreme.

Would you please quote a policy that ON held that was extreme.

They had differing policies than the major parties, but hardly be classified as extreme. In fact the libs adopted some which took away some of their support base.

Ye gods Belly you are desperate to side-step your Labor leadership's admitted Fabian Socialism. There wouldn't be a day go by without one of the middles class educated elite that advise and lead Labor by the nose, declaring their 'Progressive' policies, direction and so on.

'Progressive'=Fabian Socialist=International Socialist=Marxist

Make that cafe latte communist, they ARE middle class educated elite after all.

Belly, as long as the tail of 'Progressive'=Fabian Socialist=International Socialist=Marxist elite of humanities academics, public service bureaucrats and leftie lawyers have their snouts in the trough and swing the Labor dog you are going to have hypocrisy and a heap of negative unintended consequences.

Not that the horde of 'Progressives' who swing from the Guvvy teat (make that the Taxpayer's teat) care or will ever be accountable for the damage they do. Idealism first and stuff the consequences, eh what? International socialists who foolishly believed that opening Australia's doors to economic migrants might ingratiate them to similar international socialists abroad. Fat chance! Just a Ruddy mess.

"Give me reasoned faith anyday." Runner has Noah stopped to pick you up in the Ark, to take you to meet Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden yet? Reasoned faith, ha ha, if only it was so.

It is becoming a farce, the rude red neck offers evidence that my party is some thing it no longer is.
Can we not pause and see my words in post one are being proved by a few extremists from within the conservative arm of the Liberals?
Once the red neck faction like Labors very left lived in isolation such as the Country Party Nats.
Lets look at CB heated internal wars have taken place because this bloke is a square peg trying to force himself in to a round hole.

Do we understand Liberalism is not served by the bloke?
That like Labor Liberalism needs to sell its self at election time and every day to those who actually change governments not the usual party followers but the thinkers who put thought in to a vote.
John Winston Howard and his boss*the little woman/Wife drew voters from that pool and indeed Labor.
He would not have stood for Bernardi rocking the boat.
Surely my long term challenge that conservatives tell of their party,s faults has in this thread proven to be imposable.
Clearly ANY WRONG is only a Labor fault for my TORY mates here.

Belly,

The self-described 'Wolves in Sheep's Clothing', the 'Progressives' control Labor.

For most people, the alarm bells would have been going off when the Progressives, finally in government under the guise of 'Labor', went about their social re-engineering, censorship and State control in lieu of putting their energies (and taxpayers $$) into much needed infrastructure such as roads, power, water and hospitals that would have benefited workers in practical ways.

The political 'Progressives' who have a monkey grip on Labor policy and leadership knew they could get away with bread and circuses, and fostering division and hatred in Aussie society to keep the masses occupied.

Why not get out a pencil stub and paper and tot up what you ever got from sly manipulators like Julia Whatshername. Two columns, (+) and (-). Then you could make a realistic no B.S. reckoning, comparing the chalk and cheese that is 'Progressive' Labor today as opposed to what you believed traditional Labor was when you signed up. BTW, what did operators like Julia Whatshernamne get from you?

Bernardi's views aren't "archaic", that's just what Christians believe, remember last week's "Duck Dynasty" furore? When a Christian faithfully practices their faith this is the result.
The problem with "progressives" is that they'll only tolerate diverse views on a don't ask/don't tell basis, as soon as you actually say out loud what it says in the holy books they want nothing to do with you. Muslims are A-OK with progressives as long as they don't profess the views that Mohammed actually passed down to his followers, Africans and Pacific Islanders too are just fine as long as they don't say what they really think of homosexuals and abortion.

The man is a nutcase and the LNP will move rapidly to expel him. He is an idiot and an embarrassment to the party and all thinking persons.

You summed that all up very succinctly ChrisGaffe, well said.
Cheers,
Suse.

Suseonline,

Some Freudian Slip!

Was that a little joke you made there Onthebeach?
Well...wonders will never cease.

You are a pistol, Suseonline.
You do go off half-cocked though. LOL

Certainly no less half-cocked than you do Onthebeach...lol!

A lady once called me "half-cocked", but I won't reveal what she was referring to (I need to keep my dignity intact).

>>A lady once called me "half-cocked", but I won't reveal what she was referring to<<

I can only imagine one thing and you should be ashamed of yourself, young man:

Half a rooster is a public health risk. Fowl carry salmonella. If you must whip it out in public then for gods' sake wrap it well so that nobody gets food poisoning.

Cheers,

Tony

"We know the statistics - that children who grow up without a father are five times more likely to live in poverty and commit crime, nine times more likely to drop out of schools and 20 times more likely to end up in prison. They are more likely to have behavioural problems, or run away from home, or become teenage parents themselves. And the foundations of our community are weaker because of it.'' - President Barack Obama, Father's Day speech, 2008.

It would appear that Obama is also a racist homophobic bigot.

More politicians should take a leaf out of Cory Bernardi's book and tell us what they really think. Then we can all decide who not to vote for.

At least this bloke is honestly airing his views rather than many of his cohorts who just bundle out the spin and what they think everyone wants to hear.

Personally, I find Cory Bernardi's comments to be extremely exclusive and divisive. He wants everyone to fit his mold of what he thinks is right and damned be the rest. So if you are gay, a single parent (he means mothers), a blended step family you don't meet his requirements of 'normal'.

Most single parents are in that state due to divorce, the stereotype single mother who has oodles of children from various partners is not the norm.

I would much rather Bernardi more stridently lament the decline of manners and respectful behaviours and work to reduce hate including his own intolerance of people who are different to him.