Suseonline,
Again, you're not saying what to do about the offenders, no again you're making everyone else pay the price that only the offenders should have to pay.
I put it to you this way, what would you do about tonight to stop the vilence ? I would immediately taser anyone who falls out of line, no eniency whatsoever. Furthermore, I would make the Army Police deputies for tonight and have them mingle in civvies & as soon as someone starts being stupid handcuff them to a post or rail or tree. Simply disable them. Do same with those coming to their defence.

While I agree with you about pubs closing at say 10 PM would have a great effect Suse, it would not cure all the problems.

When I was a boy pubs closed at 6.00 PM, remember the 6 o'clock swill. Then it went to 10 PM, to be more civilized they said. Yer right, civilized. Now of course it's anything goes, & we cause all this trouble.

However the pub/club areas are easy to avoid. No closing time will make it safe for a girl, or bloke, on their own, to ride our trains. My worries were both at a little after 7.00 PM, on the airport train, after it had passed through the city. Obviously the pickings look better to these ethnic hoods, when you have a large suitcase in tow.

I'm not too worried at home, I have a couple of largish dogs, who scare most off, & access to weapons if required, but out in public the only defense for someone like me, would be a handgun.

The do gooders have won. They have filled our streets with ethnic garbage, & taken the only defense of a single person against a gang from us. We are left to cower at home. I know what I'd like to do to night club owners, & do gooders.

Suseonline, "Raw Mustard, I don't believe you about less violence where most guns are owned in America. You need to provide the proof for your claims, not me"

LOL, you sure have some gall to say that, considering how many times the numbers and other facts have been put before you.

Once again, in the US violence including with guns is almost exclusively black on black, gangs and drugs. FBI and other links have been provided for you numerous times. You also boast that you disregard such evidence and links that are put before you. So I write this for others, not in any hope of assisting you to remove the eye patch, which is impossible for you to do. Besides, you do get a buzz out of your stirring.

I should know, because I have gone to the trouble of providing evidence to you myself. I have also pointed out your shabby arguing trick of conflating such crime with the many thousands of respectable, licensed, law-abiding gun owners both in the US and in Australia. The fact is that you continually post the very same, silly inflammatory statements, over and over again, as you do when you 'diss' men. Perhaps there is just one theme there too - 'awful' men.

This is what prejudice is, isn't it? When you continue to come up with the same inflammatory mish-mash allegations while disregarding all evidence to the contrary.

But then again, you have said several times that you come to the site to indulge in you favourite sport of 'headbutting'. As foolish as that pastime of stirring might seem to others, you do get your attention and shot of dopamine I suppose. There are better ways to do that, maybe a walk in a park and smile at someone.

Susionline for the most part we agree.
And for sure on the thought carrying guns is madness.
But fair go mate!these king hits are real and ignore age.
http://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/drunk-mormons-bashed-random-stranger/story-fnii5v6w-1226792197941
Hope this link works.
It tells of two Mormons Drunk on the street and attacking a stranger, focus us a bit not all hoons are from bad back grounds.
My story about Sydney pubs in the 60,s and 70,s was to state clearly once fights in the street came about as two or more males wanted a fight.
Far from the king hit mob out there now, quite frankly you need to read the papers more.
Nine on line one is full of king hit story's from around this country near daily.
Tonight will be worse.

Dear O Sung Wu,

The following link may be of interest:

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/comment/stop-alcoholfuelled-violence-its-killing-our-youth-20131202-2ym64.html

We're told that binge drinking has become a huge problem and
is linked with one in eight deaths for people under twenty five.

The author suggests that we need to look at society's
attitudes towards the culture of alcohol consumption as
alcohol related violence is a serious problem. It took
us a long time to look at smoking and its consequences.
Perhaps the same needs to be done with the excesses of
alcohol. Perhaps the message needs to be put out
to the public - that it's not allright
and acceptable to go out and get blind drunk and hurt people.

G'day all...

Every single person who've consented to contribute to this topic are RIGHT !

BELLY my friend, your last sentence stated inter alia - '...our justice system is as old and shaggy, as the wigs on their heads...'?

I'd have disagree with you old friend with this summation ? I believe it's because our old laws no longer possess any further relevancy, in this enlightened age of socialism and legal reformation ! In fact, the old laws actually worked quite well in my opinion.

You see, when I first joined the job, these street thugs headed for the hills when they first saw the F150 round the corner. Because the coppers in those days had a bit of 'clout' (I Don't mean violence against those in custody) and they knew they'd be pinched if they gave the coppers any 'attitude', to use the modern vernacular.

Further, you'd put them in front of the old Stipendiary Magistrate, and you could bet they'd not leave, without first costing them a decent quid or, they'd cool their heels for a while, either at the Bay or out at Parramatta ?

Today, this simply doesn't happen, particularly with minority groups, they knew they enjoyed a special 'consideration', both from the judiciary and to extrapolate further - the politicians ?

I'm very sorry BELLY, I don't mean to contradict what you say concerning the 'old laws'. I do appreciate though, what you and others have admitted. Because of age and other physical infirmities, we're unable to adequately defend ourselves from a violent attack.

That is absolutely disgraceful, in the year 2013 soon to be 2014 ? A government, any government that allows it's senior citizens and it's women and children to live in a climate of fear, from these 'people' whenever that need to go into a public place, is deplorable in my opinion. Personally I have to use a walking frame when getting about. I suppose I'd be 'easy meat' for most of these thugs ?

Many thanks also FOXY for that interesting Canberra Times link, I'll speak later apropos that article.