O Sung Wu, no matter what the facts are regarding gun laws and gun usage in this country, you will never change the minds of many who frequent this forum.

Individual hates Australia's laws re arming its citizens, and would prefer packing some personal metal so he can be judge, jury and executioner to whomever may upset/frighten him. Maybe you should move to Texas?

Onthebeach "He couldn't be referring to the respectable citizens with licences. They don't commit gun crimes. That is so obvious as to require no further proof."

Really?

What about all the people that steal or use the guns from these 'model citizens' who like playing cowboys and Indians?
What about the 'respectable' gun owner whose wife annoys him by leaving him, and he suddenly turns into a crazed killer?

As far as I am concerned, any non-farmer, non-military or non-law enforcer who wants to own a gun, has to have some aggressive tendencies.

One only has to look at the loving son who used his respectable mother's many licenced guns to slaughter the 20 Sandy Hook kids and their teachers last year, to mention just one of many gun murders committed in the trigger happy US .
(he was white too...)

No, we don't want to be like the US, which is why so many people want to emigrate here.

dear suze..the..sandy hoook thing was a kid on ritolin
what graduated up..the drug sceme..to anphetomines
he was doped up/

/so lets not let the doctors out of
a situation..POOR/DOCTORING SET UP..

blame the pill merchants formost of these nutters shooting/innocents
[recall the LOOK.of the batman killer..HE WAS FULLY TRIPPING..you could see he was drugged to the eye-balls..BY DOCTORS*[sic*]

its so easy..using the drug pharmacology sales pitch..to HIDE the real issues..TOOO EASY PILL..ABUSE..one in..100 HOSPITAL.. admissions=adverse reaction..to PRESCRIBED..drugs

ONE IN TEN RESULTS IN..DEATH*
add/in booze..and pathetic doctering..there you go
even worse biased policing [hyped up on drugs as much/as adrenalin
or just SHOWING OFF the latests TRICK..ONLY DOCTERS USE..[like WAS DONE TO ME LAST YEAR/yesterday..THE fool could have killed me]

and thre autopsy..WOULD have blamred it on the docters/trick
the idiot was EITHER taught..or SAW a docter DOING..but he was to busy showing off to..concern about a doper[well we shall see him in court[i..have two doctors reports]..and im..angry

intented murder..is serious
its officialdom-feasance at the minimum
this HUGE fat..POLICE GUY..tried to kill me..last night
and the thughs[rum corpse]..is the key problrem..thenoigo aftrer WHO EVER TAUGHT HIM..the 'trick'[till their super is gone and the police union coffer is empty]

tryu treating a passivize drunk..like i was treated./.last night

they declared war on,me last night

but i dont need a gun..I.GOT LAW BOOKS..and the law of her majesty
as well as patent/real estate and heraldic law[one ignoraant police person..unsealed the ichin..from/the golden horn..and somehow lost three straws..i call that COLLUDED/interference with my freedom..of religion..that i will trace back..to the source.

like tearing out pages of the koran/bible
[l;ucky my guides alerted me[but sadly..a woman police officer released a curse..from the exism crystal..[a bad male demon..

i didnt plan this..and can only advise her to get./.smoked

BUT two guys upset my heraldic honour
i want them..on the stand..then my guides will..correct their grievousness error..[i want them both sacked][and if the missing straws arnt returned..they will be left to the spirit..to remedy..thats who/they defiled..[..in..ignorance/maybe../i hope]

The gun issue is quite different to the original king-hit topic. Given some of their comments regarding gun crime committed by registered gun owners (or using registered weapons) I've tried to find some data on that. So far no overall coverage but I did find an interesting piece on hand gun crime with some coverage of general gun crime and legal status.

http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current%20series/tandi/361-380/tandi361/view%20paper.html

"The majority of firearms used to commit homicide in Australia since 1989-90 were held unlawfully at the time. Of the 150 offenders known to have used a handgun to commit homicide, 12 percent were licensed firearms owners and two percent had used a registered handgun. Considering all firearms (n=313),15 percent of offenders held a firearms licence and 11 percent of firearms used were registered."

R0bert

HASBEEN...

You'll get no argument from me, on this whole traffic management policy, which more often than not, is regulated by traffic engineers.
Many cops, me included believe much of the radar speed interdiction is no more than simple revenue gathering. And one would wonder if all drivers carefully obeyed all road rules the government would go broke ? The do need traffic infringements as another reliable revenue source.

No sensible person would deny some drivers need to lose their licence or be decisively regulated in the way they operate a M/V. Some traffic laws are important and must be enforced. Though some of the 'marginal' recorded speeds detected on the KR ll is absolute rubbish. Therefore how in hell can you ask a motorist to respect police and more importantly obey the traffic laws, when he's unjustly penalised for being marginally over the posted limit ?

Without the public's respect and their co-operation, it really makes it tough for police to enforce any law in reality.

Hi SUSEONLINE...

I'm not sure I agree with what you've said apropos gun ownership for legitimate sporting pursuits. Many licensed gun owners are very responsible with all facets of gun safety. Including safe storage, handling, and shooting responsibly.

Having read and re-read both threads from INDIVIDUAL and ONTHEBEACH, I can readily understand the frustration they face, with what they perceive as paradoxical and capriciousness in the law.

Oh well, we all have our opinions I guess ? Thank you SUSEONLINE for your excellent contributions on this highly topical subject!

It is painfully obvious that some contributors here have led a cosy protected life & therefore are incapable of understanding what it means to be a victim not once but over & over again because of a Law which focusses on protecting the assaillant rather than the victim.
The reason why criminals are in jail is to protect them from retalliation by their victims/ victims relatives.
Some people have no qualms to force a victim live a life of misery as long as the culprits live a live in jail that their victims could never afford. A bloke I know down the road from me who got put away for 12 months for being a kiddie fiddler. He had terribly rotten teeth. When that piece of crap came out he had a perfect set of teeth compliments of the taxpayer. Many people I know go to work everyday & they can't afford to see dentist & if they do they have to wait up to 18 months. As I said Australian Law is made up of a large amount of jokes.
There are blokes in our community who have bashed, broken into homes, stolen boats etc yet they are better off than most of us. Suseonline just wait till something happens to you, it'll be interesting to what degree you change your tune. o sung wu I'm sorry if you thought I included you in my do-gooder remarks, I didn't.

O SUNG WU,

You earlier mentioned water pistols, now there is a class of weapon that should be strictly regulated but which anybody can buy without a licence or any kind of check. Scary.