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"Besides, businesses will either adapt, or go out of business."

So now your punishing businesses too (aren't they your heroes?) with another layer of onerous costs.
*All* have to have EFPTOS.
*All* have to have computerised systems that can recognise when a welfare card is used to attempt to buy prohibited goods.

Every seller could be legally liable if they sell prohibited goods on welfare cards.
So they must all now use EFTPOS to prove no illegal transactions took place.

How are people having a garage sale supposed to get EFTPOS terminals and barcode databases?
And every market stall.

Let's go to the funfair, kids.
Entry, EFTPOS, Every ride, EFTPOS, Every food stall, EFTPOS, Every game, EFTPOS.
Cigarette vendor? Sorry, this item has been prohibited by Centrelink.
Every transaction, $1 fee. Have a nice day.

"Because a percentage of that money is for the children"

Actually two parents on welfare get *less* than two single people. Only single parents get a bit more.
Where's the "childrens" money?

Why should children be an issue? What happened to your "take responsibility for your own life" routine?

If children are neglected, you call DOCS.

"Different, as they have earned this."

As an employee of Respectable Company Australia Inc.

Employers already have self-defined rules about what staff can and cannot do.
People have been fired for things they did outside work, in their "private" life.

You're setting a *precedent* for employer-controlled spending restrictions.
It's not "your" money, it's theirs, generated by their spending millions on product development and marketing.

So if you want to work at RespCom, you cannot smoke, drink or gamble.
We have a reputation, you know.

"we could see a limited amount of cash withdrawal each payment cycle."

So they could still buy the prohibited goods anyway.
What a headache for nothing!

"Something has to give"

Why is welfare always the first target, rather than all the truly "wasteful" spending of governments?

Welfare keeps people alive and out of prison.
Funding Chinese New Year festivals does what?
Posted by Shockadelic, Thursday, 19 December 2013 11:25:00 PM
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Shock.....But the lease is *not* in their name.
They have no contract with the agent!

Pay the person who's name the lease is in and they pass on the rent.

Or, set up a DD with the agent, because one can pay rent without being on the lease, unless of cause you're talking about an illegal lease.

...That's it? What about pornography, prostitutes, nudist camp holidays, abortions, sex toys? Many would argue the controversial nature of many products/services deems them unacceptable.

Now you're grasping at straws, besides, the expenditure on these would be minuscule in comparison to gigs, Griggs and gambling, don't you think.

....There will simply be a black market develop in any prohibited goods.

Yes, you're right, but we can't legislate against stupidity, can we.

....It's not "others" money. It's paid to a named "legal person" (whatever form the payment comes in). It is legally their property.

I disagree as in my view welfare is a privilege, not a right, besides, it's also there as a hand up, not a hand out and, the payee, the tax payer, has a right to know their taxes are not being deliberately wasted, especially when kids miss out on their share.

....Why so intent on stripping rights from these people, rights any other citizen has. They are not criminals!
I cannot remember anyone ever defining citizens as "people who work".
Because they are (NOT ALL OF THE) depriving children of their intended assistance.

As for restaurants, I seriously doubt one on welfare can afford a rest meal, if they can, perhaps their not under paid in the first place.

Good talking with you.
Posted by rehctub, Friday, 20 December 2013 5:35:30 AM
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hang/on..clubman..you running?

mate..the GAME IS DIVIDE..and con*
you have fine ideas..BUT..we are doing..what YOU..yourself say..to you*..[under the..give/them enough rope..principle]

SOGREAT THANKS FOR THE SUGGESTION
the poor wilbe paid..in cash/coin
the rich..willlive by debit card..[cause they owe..NOT OWN*]

WHAT..they are trying to..get us angry
its called divide and con*queer.them/poor former middle class..and us mega rich..trust fund holders..[get it?]..they want..what you thought..you had

but thenthe bail-in..thennthe hyper inflation..kicked in[and later yopuhold the same dollars but cant buy a postage stamp

see the weimar/republic
or the other hyprer inflated MIDDLE/class..egos..bought down before and since

dont be divided*
we NEED each..other

http://rss.infowars.com/20131124_Sun_Alex.mp3
the beginning..explains the war..between the baddies/the baddies
the middle explains how federal..police are corrupting local police...and how they..assaulted alex..by hurting a child

[they will do much the same..to govt
[recall..goerge/blair/john..REALLY believed satans spin

and note..please..the big ending..is important too
perhaps more..try to focus..on what is said

thats what i like about files..you can rewind..to make sure
thats all tony needs do..check/confirm..dont act fast..not furious

anyhow the lions lay..with thee sheep?
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15820&page=0
Posted by one under god, Friday, 20 December 2013 8:07:44 AM
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i finally have a spare post
if you want tofinish..the topic at..link..
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6152&page=0

as well as tie the two*
it would be replied quicker

dear indy..have you ever heard of..jury nullification
http://www.activistpost.com/2013/12/how-jury-nullification-accelerates-drug.html

basically..THE JUDGE..cedes his duty..to..a jury..OF....PEERS
that judge NOT ONLY..the 'guilt or innocence..BUT THE LAW*

What’s at Stake?

What is at stake is huge. You can save reputations. You can save relationships. You can save people’s livelihood or property. You can save their educations, because they might not be able to get a student loan if convicted. You can save their freedom, and you can in fact save their life.

(Even if it’s not a death penalty case people get killed in prison.) You cannot be required to check your conscience at the courthouse door. No victim means no crime.

If there is no victim, then the law is wrong.
The person is not guilty.

ditto taking oath..[forbidden..in..the bible][matt 5;33-37/23;16-25/james5;9-12.]

now this drug law..is statute law..[statute law..ONLY regulates artificial..persons[when govt talk about giving 'rights'..they are ALL..WAYS..talking about corporate 'persons'[ie person..NLY via act]

thus the drug laws police morals..not crime
[see crime [for the living]..is only contract[ie civil law]
or criminal..[ie were YOU can be proved..to have hurt other[or dont obey promise

BOTH..REQUIRE the choice..of trial; by jury

but statute law..because it can..ONLY..judge 'person'[ie Incorporated LIMITED lie-abilty..person-hood..CAN ONLY APPLY..to/the dead

like road law=equals much.the same..THEY ONLY CAN CONTROL..that they created..[ie your license=the person;..but NOT YOU*..only the marriage certificate[contract]..not you
Posted by one under god, Friday, 20 December 2013 11:37:45 AM
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"Pay the person who's name the lease is in and they pass on the rent."

How? You can't withdraw more than $40 cash!

Are you saying there's no limit on bank transfers?
Then you just transfer to a not-on-welfare housemate to buy your smokes and grog as well as pay your rent, or they withdraw cash and hand it back to you.

The agent may not want separate payment for six tenants.
It complicates their own record-keeping/debt recovery.

"Now you're grasping at straws"

I'm sure there are many taxpayers who would object to their taxes being used to buy "adult" goods/services.
You set a precedent for their lobbying to expand the restrictions.

"the tax payer, has a right to know their taxes are not being deliberately wasted"

But how do you know how much people are spending?
They may only buy cigarettes once a week, a bottle of wine once a month and only gamble when there's a really huge jackpot (maybe 3 times a year).

"depriving children of their intended assistance."

What of all those without children?
There are other avenues to deal with neglect.

"I seriously doubt one on welfare can afford a rest meal"

There's restaurants at all scales of affordability.
You still haven't answered the question.
Joe Blow saves for months to take his girlfriend to dinner.
Can he buy drinks or not?

You are like a doctor prescribing a medicine, but just doesn't want to know about the side effects. Bad doctor!

You ignore the ripple effect throughout the economy, on other consumers and sellers.

Sellers would no doubt face a hefty fine ($50,000?) if they conduct forbidden transactions.

Firstly, this requires a new layer of business surveillance by government (More bureaucrats. "Wasteful"?).

Secondly, to protect themselves, businesses will have to change the way they transact with ALL customers to cover their own arse.

EFTPOS will become compulsory for ALL customers for ALL transactions in ALL businesses, so there's a record to show the Inquisitors.

Paying with cash will become impossible.
Selling without EFTPOS will be impossible.

All because of a few drunks on welfare.
Posted by Shockadelic, Friday, 20 December 2013 5:23:16 PM
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Yes well, I guess the other alternative would be to find a job hey!

As for buying a drink at a restaurant, well, I doubt that would be a wasteful event.

You can place all the hurdles under the sun in the way if you wish, or, you can acknowledge that we have a real problem and try to find a solution.

We are all capable of hiding our heads in the sand.
Posted by rehctub, Friday, 20 December 2013 5:50:45 PM
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