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Obscene language that earns a swift rebuke for the user on Ch39&40, the trucking traffic channels on UHF.

Grrls, you have come a long way.

Or is that fallen a long way? Your pick.

Yeah spot on.

One can only imagine what would have happened if a non-"progressive" had used that term.There would have been cries of "misogyny" and god knows what else.

It's all in the spin --and "Progressives" are masters of the art of spin.

No indignant screeching and demands for her resignation from her fellow leftie Labor Emily's List members, despite the fact that there are notables from Julia Whatshername's infamous 'Handbag Hit Squad' among them.

Emily's List
http://www.emilyslist.org.au/our-mps

One can only imagine what language they use together, at their knees-ups. Likely it would make a truckie blush.

What a disgusting topic.
I'm amazed that you two pretend to be offended by such language, or is it just because it was a nasty woman who said it?

If we were to report on the language of all politicians we would be here all day...

Dear Suse,

You're right about the language that politicians
use - it is often very cringe-worthy, tawdry, and they all
should know better. Referring to our former Prime Minister's
breasts, thighs, and genitalia, on a dinner menu at a
Liberal Party get together for a "knees Up,"
is a case in point.

"Julia Gillard Kentucky Fried Quail -
Small breasts, huge thighs
And a big red box..."

Enough to make one blush?

Except Foxy it wasn't on the dinner menu !

Can someone tell me why people of the left are called "Progressives" ?
Surely it is a contradiction of terms ?

What they advocate is a return to the neo-communist policies of the last century.

Dear Bazz,

This is for your information:

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/a-menu-listing-julia-gillard-kentucky-friend-quail-was-used-at-a-liberal-party-fundraiser-2013-6

Your're right Foxy, some of the politicians language we hear and read about is disgusting, regardless of who said it, especially as these people put themselves out there as political leaders in our community.

That particular word mentioned though, is particularly offensive, whether said to or by anyone of either gender.

As far as I am concerned, if someone uses that language in the public sphere, they should be thrown out of politics...

No Foxy, it was on a joke menu made up by the kitchen staff and was not
the menu issued.

That was put to bed yonks ago when it was admitted by the chef.
Same old story grab a rumour and run with it even after it has been
discredited.

Dear Bazz,

I'm not one to "grab a story and run with it."
I did give you the link from which I got the
information. And, I was initially responding to
Suse's relevant post - that all politicians
are guilty of behaving, like "back alley street
fighters," guilty of "Machiavellian bastardy,"
ar times.
Using inappropirate language is not a good look -
for anyone - especially a Member of Parliament.

Dear Suse,

I totally agree with you.
Inappropriate language should not be acceptable
from any of our Members of Parliament.

cont'd ...

Dear Bazz,

I forgot to add that the menu was widely circulated on
social media and Mal Brough did not go into denial
mode (or apologise) until it was widely circulated and
caused a stir. And,
It was pointed out the event was organised by Mr Brough
and he's not an inexperienced politician.

Anyway, Mr Abbott summed things up rather well when he
stated:

"Whether it's a tacky, scatological menu out the front of
a Liberal Party event. Whether it's squalid jokes told at
union conference dinners with ministers present.
Whatever it is, I think we should be better than that."

And that also includes - a female politician re-tweeted abusive
language against another MP.

Suseonline, "What a disgusting topic. I'm amazed that you two pretend to be offended by such language, or is it just because it was a nasty woman who said it?"

No surprise that your knee-jerk reaction is to blame the messenger.

No surprises later that it is the defensive "But they all do it" from OLO's experts on misogyny.

To repeat, there was a thunderous silence from her mates of Emily's List, where members of the 'Handbag Hit Squad' are still prominent and some are also in the federal shadow cabinet. This is the mob who worked themselves into a frothing, indignant, self-righteous rage over a 'Meow' in parliament when Penny Wong was speaking, and Wong herself was stern and outraged, even victimised - according to her.

BTW, when will Labor leader Bill Shorten be apologising for the obscenity, and when will he be demanding the perpetrator's head on a pike as he would certainly have done if the boot was on the other fault.

Blatant hypocrisy, again.

That should be 'foot' not 'fault'.

Foxy, I am surprised you missed all the hullabaloo about the menu.
One of the kitchen staff apologised on TV about it all.
You never seem to miss anything, perhaps you were on holidays or something.

It was made up as a joke amongst the staff and was not the menu used
for the dinner. When someone that was at the dinner said he never saw
it he was called a liar.

Did you not realise that it had been suddenly dropped by the government
and the media ?

Onthebeach, still trying to put words in my mouth?
Did you not read what I wrote above?

I did say anyone saying that sort of language should be thrown out of politics.

No mention of misogyny at all as far as I can see.
Are you looking for an argument perhaps?
I can't be bothered actually...

yep progressive allows you to photo kids nude and call it art. If you are not a 'progressive ' it is child porn. 'Progresives' see their self titles as a licence to be regressive and base.

Suseonline,

Rather than making unfounded allegations about people putting words into your mouth you should be concerned about your nose growing.

What I posted was, "No surprises later that it is the defensive 'But they all do it' from OLO's experts on misogyny". While it suits you to deny it now, you were one of the OLO Grrls who levelled the 'misogyny' allegations against Abbott, for example in mid-Feb2013.

That being so, it is odd that you are not on the front foot howling 'misogyny' and 'sexism' and baying for the resignation of Labor's ACT Education Minister Joy Burch. What a role model that little charmer is for young pupils.

Still, as already said, the usually censorious feministas of Emily's List and the Handbag Hit Squad were silent too.

It figures! LOL

Dear Bazz,

The menu was circulated widely on social
media - it was also discussed widely in Parliament.
Mr Abbott condemned it - so he believed it had
taken place. Mal Brough who had organised the event,
was the one who did an awful lot of back-peddling
at the time and only after this had caused a stir -
and he was forced to do so. A "scape-goat" was found
to accept the blame.

Anyway, I've made my point - which Mr Abbott summed up
so well, as I cited earlier,

"Whether it's a tacky, scatological menu out the front
of a Liberal Party event. Whether its squalid jokes told at
union conference dinners with ministers present. Whatever it
is, I think we should be better than that!"

And that includes any MP using foul-language about another
MP on twitter.

The point being made is that:

Our political conversation must shift away from the mass,
infantile finger-pointing that now pervades it.
And using foul language demeans us all.

I wonder if Joy realises the the irony of using that word !

Dear snake,

I think Joy fully realises.
Because Mr Pyne has in the past
been referred to as a
"powerless, barking Chihuahua..."

Crikey, whatever happened to this being a land where people were willing to call a spade a spade? We must have entered the Age of the Euphemism.

Personally I see no problem with calling cvnts cvnts. But if plain speech is too shocking for some peoples sensibilities then I'm happy to refer to Pyne as a cowardly, ungainly, nasty troglodyte.

Cheers,

Tony

Foxy, "Our political conversation must shift away from the mass,
infantile finger-pointing that now pervades it"

Not a rule that you apply to your own posts, apparently. LOL

Tony Lavis,
The obscene language you might use at home may not be acceptable in public.

Matter of fact if you used it at home referring to your female partner (for the purposes of the example assuming that your preference was heterosexual), it could be the basis of a domestic violence order. What do you say to that?

>>Matter of fact if you used it at home referring to your female partner (for the purposes of the example assuming that your preference was heterosexual), it could be the basis of a domestic violence order. What do you say to that?<<

I don't have a partner. But if I did she wouldn't be a cvnt. Life's too short to date cvnts: I save my romantic attentions for pleasant female company. Given that she wouldn't be a cvnt I'd have no reason to call her cvnt. Calling someone a cvnt when they're not cvnt isn't a very good example of plain speech is it onthebeach?

Cheers,

Tony

"Crikey, whatever happened to this being a land where people were willing to call a spade a spade?"

Maybe this is no longer a land where people know the difference between a spade and an effing shovel?

"Personally I see no problem with calling cvnts cvnts."

I prefer dysphemism also, Tony... so long as it is grammatically correct.

There are many versions of this guide to the 'f' word around the internet, but at least this one comes from MIT (though the Dan Quayle reference dates it).

http://stuff.mit.edu/afs/athena/activity/h/humor/Really.crude/fVck.grammar

(As the modesty of the post's profanity editor forfends... replace the capital V as u would imagine to make it work.)

otb,

Librarians are not in the business of finger-pointing.
Their responsibility is to add, enrich, stimulate and
amplify the knowledge of people. Therefore when we
do exercise our professional judgement, we do so in
response to someone's provision of either misinformation
or presentation of a narrow perspective.
Our aim is to set the record straight
and present a broader and bigger picture of the issues
under discussion and allow the readers to then make
their own informed decisions on the subjects being discussed.

Tony Lavis,

As the title of the thread says, 'Liberating Language, Tres 'Progressive'!', and as usual you have strived mightily to show how accomplished you are at it.

Nonetheless the fact remains that use of the particular term could be the basis for a domestic violence order. Nothing you have said dispels that fact.

[This was posted elsewhere in error]

>>Nonetheless the fact remains that use of the particular term could be the basis for a domestic violence order. Nothing you have said dispels that fact.<<

Well that's nice to know onthebeach. I'm not sure what your point is supposed to be but at least I'm forewarned about the potential legal ramifications of calling your loved ones cvnts. It's like being forewarned about the dangers of eating rotten meat: you wouldn't want to do it anyway but it's handy to know what can happen if you do.

Cheers,

Tony

Dear Tony,

I suspect that a one of "name calling" would not
qualify for any legal action especially since an
apology was issued in this case, and it was made
against a person whose own record is not a good
or an examplenary one. For example, no one has
been expelled from the Chamber for unruly behaviour
more times that Mr Pyne. Offence as others have
pointed out comes naturally to him and Mr Pyne's
self-righteous indignation is shallow, superficial and
school boyish. One commentator went even so far as to
say, "If as the LNP say, 'the adults are back in charge,'
then it's difficult to imagine how this adolescent,
loutish imbecile - with an uncouth acerbic tongue got a jersey."

Finally we're told that "It takes a peculiar personality
to gain satisfaction from being disliked (and apparently
Mr Pyne is one of the most disliked MPs in Parliament).
However, Mr Pyne seems to delight in it. Perhaps
Psychology has a name for it."

Tony Lavis,

"Rotten meat", you say?

You simply cannot resist. LOL

Foxy,

As usual you need to quote those flakey 'independent' sites you cut and paste from. The ones that indulge in the "infantile finger pointing" you as school-ma'm, sorry as a "Librarian" have cautioned other OLO posters against.

otb,

I suspect that
underneath your crass and unpleasant demeanour
is not one single redeeming defect.

Foxy,

Sauce for the goose is not sauce for the gander. LOL

>>"Rotten meat", you say?

You simply cannot resist. LOL<<

Huh? Have you been receiving tuition from one under god? Because your posts are making less and less sense. Remember that plain english we talked about? Maybe you'd like to try using it so that other people understand the point you're trying to make. Or you could just keep LOLing at your own jokes and patting yourself on the back for being clever because nobody else can decipher your incomprehensible gibberish. Up to you I guess.

I have no trouble resisting rotten meat. Didn't I just write in my last post that eating rotten meat is something that you (I) wouldn't want to do? How does one deduce from that the idea that I can't resist rotten meat? Show all working.

Cheers,

Tony

otb,

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin
of little minds.

You should heed Emerson, Foxy.

You're the one who needs to heed,
and then some.

"Ne te quaesiveris extra..."

cont'd ...

"Begin challenging your own assumptions.
Your assumptions are the windows on the world.
Scrub them off every once in a while,
or the light won't come in."

(Alan Alda).

>>The important thing
is to pull yourself up by your own hair
to turn yourself inside out
and see the whole world with fresh eyes.<<
- Peter Weiss

Oh, the cleverness of me! I can look up quotes on the internet.

Cheers,

Tony

Dear Tony,

W. Somerset Maugham would agree with you.

"...quotation...is a serviceable substitute
for wit."

Foxy,

You are OLO's recognised queen of quotes and irrelevant links. So often that is all there is of your post, a quote or link. - Which others have gently drawn to your attention as a fault, not as an indicator of education and literary depth as you might intend them to think.

It wouldn't be quite so bad if you at least understood the quotes and read your links before posting, for they often turn against you, offering a giggle or two.

Now, it you must Google for quotes, please do the authors justice by not pouncing on one as inelegant as the Somerset Maugham example. Also, it you could resist mangling it further.

Thanks.

otb,

This from a man who resorts to cliches, and LOL's
in his posts, and of course the old conservative
tactic of labelling and name calling anyone whose views don't
agree with his.

Self-righteousness isn't appropriate in your case.
Improve yourself first.