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Posted by SPQR, Friday, 8 November 2013 7:15:30 AM
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Belly, here is a real funny one for you. My partner (HSU East delo) has just received a letter of apology from Michael Williamson admitting to his crimes and offering a pathetic apology to union members, it makes one sick. The grub is not big enough to make restitution to the low paid workers he's robbed blind. Now claiming personal bankruptcy, whilst his wife has millions.
At yesterdays union delegates meeting the news was bad, with hundreds of hospital workers jobs in O'Farrell's sights. The fight will ramp up soon, big time. "T" has come across several girls crying, been in the job for 8 10 years or more, from school, thought they had a good job for life, told their job is now "redundant", offered so called alternative employment at a distant hospital, when they refuse the ridiculous job offer they are told they can resign. These are people with mortgages, and young families, they can't survive on one wage. Its ok for us we own our own home etc, and we are not that young, but these 'kids' are. The other buzz word from O'Farrell is "privatise" where services are farmed out to their mates at the big end of town and at best workers have to apply for their old job back, with the new contractor, less pay and worse conditions, about $5 or $6 an hour less. I might make funny jokes on here sometimes (mostly to sit stir the conserves, who take themselves oh! so serious) but I've never stuck the knife into the workers and never will, and to your credit, nor have you, I'll say that. Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 8 November 2013 9:15:37 AM
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Paul while you will understand others may not.
I think out side the normal in relation to unions. Yes some, too many rise to the top and forget that first step and why they took it. Mid Howard,s last term, as elected PM not his current roll along with Murdock puppet master. I without any legal right, acted as union delegate for HSU members. See Robbo had the anti work choices but out side our rural hospital. Not knowing the filth was to come, but both hearing and seeing HSU was not servicing its ,members, not even being seen. Under a state Labor government to! Nursing staff had waited 3 years to get a uniform issue. I took the delegate to head of staff and bellowed about safety and threatened a return visit with TV cameras and OH and H people to inspect soiled uniforms. We won. However that day was ominous in its proof something was badly wrong in that union. Here Paul is the line I draw, membership wanted to kill the HSU after that thing was unmasked, ACTU voted them down. Unions under Abbott face hardship. But unless the white color tribe understand the ordinary worker, not them is the reason unions exist we are in for a hell we made for our selves. I by the way, back to threads path see no double dissolution election this term for Abbott, his actions have made that too dangerous for him. Posted by Belly, Friday, 8 November 2013 2:22:26 PM
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Paul1405, "I've never stuck the knife into the workers and never will, and to your credit, nor have you, I'll say that"
You are naive if you believe that unions don't sacrifice workers for the 'greater good', which translated means good for the union structure, and more especially for the good of union heavies. To give a practical example, I was meeting with a middle management public servant regarding a minor land zoning decision when a official from the State office of a clerical union walked into the office and not knowing or caring who I was, informed the manager that a workplace delegate, not even from the same department, should be promoted to a job advertised in the manager's branch. The workplace delegate had not applied for the position, which had closed. I recall two things the union heavy said in particular: firstly, that the union workplace delegate was someone who was valued by the union and secondly, that the interview process that had not even started should be collapsed, and the job filled by the workplace delegate on transfer, with him being given training and 'higher duties', until he could be 'confirmed' in the job. I met the same manager a few years later doing private certification work for his own private company. When I asked about the incident, he said that the agency executive had eventually placed the workplace delegate in an egg-shell job created for the purpose, where he could be overpaid without supervising staff or making decisions. -Labor government and unions, and stuff like that was usual he said. Any wonder that able bureaucrats leave to do well elsewhere. Explains why good men and women with ability and life experience don't throw their hats into the ring for Labor pre-selection too. That would be stitched up tight as a drum as well. Posted by onthebeach, Friday, 8 November 2013 2:46:12 PM
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Beach, I'm certainly not "naive" when it comes to unions and how they operate, 20 years as a delegate with the Metal Workers seen to that, I was sometimes in the minority at Works Committee Meetings, as a supporter and mate of the long time Convener, who also was from the right, meetings could be very fiery at times, as could meetings with the bosses, they could be just as fiery. I knew blokes like Laurie Carmichael,(hated Bob Hawke) commo head of the AMWSU, and Norm Gallagher, criminal head of the Victorian BLF, they would have a stiff from a clerical union for breakfast. As an ALP member I also supported the right, a hard thing when you come from a very left wing union.
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 8 November 2013 7:20:51 PM
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http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/abbotts-climate-change-achilles-heel-the-weather-20131108-2x6r8.html
At first glance this link along with one other here looks well off subject. And the first may be the reason Chris Gaff told me I am wrong. However as part of the Senate debate all debate on a DD election, it matters. I may be quite mad. But with my heart and brain, two very different things, see a truth few will share. Labor was going to fall, at its own hand and had little chance of hiding its internal joke, a power brokers fight in progress from 2010. But too,Abbott was not ready to govern, and that he and his party fail to understand the anti Labor tide was not an endorsement of his policy,s. Within 12 months a massive turn in support for this government, an even greater one for some of its policy,s, may bring about a change in the leadership , believe me, read the link and understand it, with your brain working and biases in the bucket at the door. Posted by Belly, Saturday, 9 November 2013 5:01:52 AM
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I think you might have cracked the case us!
And, this was the clue that did it: <<3. Space Aliens...>>
After getting your list, we just needed to establish a link between one of the suspects on that list, and any of the parties who stood to benefit from the votes going missing.
So we went back over the background of everyone ...and found this... one of those aforementioned beneficiaries musing about a call he was expecting :<< So why isn't life out there contacting us?Why aren't the intergalactic phones ringing?>>
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/global-democracy-alone-will-save-us-from-ourselves-20120330-1w3s9.html#ixzz2XvXI7R9u
<<So why isn't life out there contacting us? Why aren't the intergalactic phones ringing?>>
Holy smoke!
This was the smoking gun ...or, at least evidence that someone had been smoking somethings!
<<So why isn't life out there contacting us? Why aren't the intergalactic phones ringing?>>
So now we've established the link with the aliens, we just need to track down where they whizzed those darn electoral papers off to!
Further updates as they come to hand.