http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/bondi-attack--racial-vilification-can-escalate-into-racial-violence-20131027-2w9c5.html
The link is to a story about the Race based assault of two Jewish family,s in Sydney.
It brings back memory's of recent verbal assaults on buses and trains in several states.
I think it is something we need to fear, not just the actions but the PC monster hiding within.
Photos appear to hint at the race of the offenders, but a tendency to not tell us, just in case it brings more problems the race of the offenders, is worrying.
How many of us, those who are anti boats arrivals, would even consider such an attack on them or any one?
I doubt many of us would even consider such a thing

Belly a cowardly act by any stretch.

Police charged two 17-year-old boys with affray and breaching bail, to face children's court on Sunday. A 23-year-old man was charged with affray and granted bail to appear at Waverley Local Court on December 3.

Let them have their day in court.

As for you to saying;
"Photos appear to hint at the race of the offenders, but a tendency to not tell us, just in case it brings more problems the race of the offenders, is worrying.
How many of us, those who are anti boats arrivals, would even consider such an attack on them or any one?
I doubt many of us would even consider such a thing." An ignoble attempt by you, without fact and without doubt, to play the anti boat card. With the use of words like "appear" "hint" "tendency" worrying"

Narrowing it all down to (alleged) racism alone justifies the existence of pyramids of well paid bureaucrats. They have their sinecures and careers to protect.

Honestly though, if anyone wants to find an '-ism', there is no need to scour police reports, there is plenty of ageism in the very frequent and cowardly attacks on the elderly and the burglaries of their homes. Many aged live in fear, captives in their own homes, in once peaceful suburbs where they raised their families.

The problem is nowhere near as simple as it is being made out to be. It is one element of a broad spectrum of offensive and illegal behaviour including verbal and physical assaults that is all too common. The fault lies in soft treatment of offenders by courts, 'progressive' ideals of police service not police enforcement, and under-staffed police.

"The fault lies in soft treatment of offenders by courts, 'progressive' ideals of police service not police enforcement, and under-staffed police."
Beach, I can not agree, take New York where law enforcement is oppressive by our standards, stats show crime is higher per capita than Sydney. Lock em' up and throw away the key has been tried by many in the past without success. I doubt that many offenders would think of the legal consequences of their actions before they act.

Paul1405,

I no longer bother to point out the gains to be made from acting early to divert youth from gangs, and the huge savings to be had if only middles class trendies stopped using recreational drugs and thereby funding the drug industry.

Attempting discussion in any depth is a complete waste of time on public internet forums, where so many post only to get their shot of adrenalin for the day from angry abuse.

I am not talking about mandatory sentencing or the 'law and order' of cynical politicians. Police are poorly staffed and large inner suburbs would be lucky during the hours of 6pm to 7am to have one patrol consisting of a trained officer and a trainee. As well, it is very obvious from Victoria's nearly ten years experience with Police Chief Commissioner Christine Nixon that policies of the political 'Progressive' don't work.

Beach
"the gains to be made from acting early to divert youth from gangs, and the huge savings to be had" Agree.
"not talking about mandatory sentencing or the 'law and order' of cynical politicians" Agree.
I recently was in the audience for a speech by the new Area Commander in a part of inner Sydney. He talked of acting early to divert youth, mainly aboriginal youth in his command. He said that he had spoken to his officers and he wanted a general attitude change from many of them towards the community, particularly youth. He was also having meetings with community leaders to make it a 2 way street on crime etc. he didn't mention police numbers, although they could be an issue, but he did say it was early days but the programs and community reaction, was good so far, and he was keen to build trust with the community including the kids. The majority of the community want meaningful change. It's a big job and wont be easy.

The only place for criminals is behind bars, long term. While they are there the only ones in danger are them, & the public is safe.

Some may remember my son had his skull fractured in 4 places by a bunch of "Lebs" [Lebanese ex refugees], who jumped out of a car & attacked him in a quite suburban street, shouting "get whitey".

Most of the trouble today is with refugee or migrant populations, who don't fit in, in Oz. Most of these people come from places where the law was harsh, & swift. Here, with our gentle treatment, they are becoming increasingly rampant, & commendering some of our suburbs.

Our bleeding hearts have given us a problem that will last for at least a couple of generations, & will spill much blood in the streets, before we solve it, if we solve it.

There are slow news days where the media make most of the 'news'. On better days they are only obliged to make 75% of it.

They know that through previous stereotyping and other manipulation they have a number of likely subjects to make a story that can hopefully last a few days as they turn it to push different buttons in their dumbed down audience.

There are well paid people in the public bureaucracy and in NGOs with careers to protect that are reliant on the victim industry. The victim industry has delivered comfy sinecures to may for several generations and since Whitlam at least. This is multi-million dollar industry that professionals such as lawyers treasure for the yearly up-grade of their Beamers. For them, a 530 Gran Turismo Steptronic is too cheap, as is a bottle of $200 restaurant red.

Out of the scores of offences committed in any particular day, some hack journalist (or is that the spin doctor of a public agency) has launched upon this one to sensationalise with allegations of racism.

But even so, the 'problem' is nowhere near as simple as it is being made out to be. It is just one element of a broad spectrum of offensive and illegal behaviour including verbal and physical assaults that is all too common.

The media is missing the daily feeding that Rudd and Julia Whatshername gave them. Of course the media use and abuse all who come near them, including crime victims, eventually. Shock-horror and blood sell an audience for advertisers. Even better if the 'racism' label can be applied, although 'sexism' creates more self-righteous indignation and sells more papers.

The very last thing they or their audiences are interested in is the actual causes of crime and doing something practical about it. There is no windfall of guvvy money in that for the usual suspects.

Paul open your mind mate!
Your first post highlighted that both PC and Greens have far too much to say.
*It is evident from press photos* those who did this have one race, we can not tell what that one is why?
In you blast at me you, not me highlight a willingness to convict the victim/protect the offenders.
You said how unwanted it was but draw the line at naming the race or other defining things about the brain dead filth who did this.
I will not let you off your hook, in a thread now stalled by my refusal to feed *chronic racism* we saw one side offer a defense for Posting a clearly racist view, you both knock the act but knock my theme, why not tell us?.
The Derin Hinch defense, let no man ever go to prison for informing us who the filth are.
I fear for our country if this act does not see prison time for those who did this.
Too if we are so very frightened that we do not want to brand by race color or creed the true filth who did this.
Should I offend this way my face would be on the front page.

This place is being very bad now with so much trouble on the street, very like where we come from many years ago now Elbasan in Albania.
We had soldiers on the street no hoodlams or youth troubles just many armed soldiers, no trouble from youth or other bad people. The soldiers were the bad ones always. So be very grateful for whats in Australia much better than in Elbasan, but problems are still around the streets in Australia, for that, I'm very sorry for that!

The problem started back in 1956 when communism swept through Europe. The Soviets opened the prisons as the conquered another country and freed the crims giving them a clean bill of health a passport and a ticket to Australia.

Since then we have accepted the rubbish of all the world which makes up for our main criminal populations.

Ethnic violence in the streets is the conflict of one group fighting another for control of the "patch"

Perhaps we might look closer to home?
It wasn't that long back that certain politicians of the hue G in ROYGBIV were advocating bans on Jewish owned businesses in Sydney.

Might there be a connection?

Belly,

It doesn't matter who committed the crime. They will be called Australians and it is Australians who will wear the 'racist' stain.

It is called political correctness, which is well funded by government. 35+ years of funding PC directly and indirectly, out of our taxes. Meanwhile, ambulances are ramped outside emergency departments of hospitals because there isn't enough money for beds. Plenty of money for PC though.

BTW, have you had a chance to get that sound card fixed for that link I gave you before? Well worth the listen.

The reason the offenders haven't been identified is because they are juveniles and identifying the adult offender might also identify the others if he's a cousin or a brother.
You can all stop beating about the bush, they're clearly "Men of Middle Eastern appearance", identifiable as such even though their features are pixellated in the news photos.
The "Anti Semitism" is beside the point, gangs of Lebanese men attack defenceless people simply for their sport or because they're tweaking on crystal meth,the fact that they used a racial slur to initiate a confrontation is unremarkable. The tactic is a simple one, the gang yells out something to the victims, the victims stop, turn around and say "Who Me?"and by the time they've realised what's up they're being set upon. The slurs would have been used to "Shock and awe" the victims, in this case a Jewish family and to fix them in one spot to contain the fight in a way favourable to the assailants and to limit the chances of resistance or escape.
That was one of the lessons my Dad taught me when I was a teenager, if someone yells out, "Hey You!" in the street don't turn around, if the persist then you run and if they get within ten feet of you you're screwed, you won't be able to get away.
Though in this case that advice would be useless because the group contained elderly people, it must have been a horrible experience for the victims.

Excellent post, Jay of Melbourne.

The continuing social problems from Malcolm Fraser's folly. See here,

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/fraser_did_a_garrett_on_refugees

I’m not here to argue the guilt or innocence of anyone in this matter. I prefer to leave that determination to a properly constituted court. Not some kangaroo outfit headed up by judge and chief prosecutor, Belly. There is no need for any more evidence than that presented by Judge Belly “It is evident from press photos those who did this have one race, we can not tell what that one is why?” Not to worry jury member Jay has the answer “they're clearly "Men of Middle Eastern appearance", identifiable as such even though their features are pixellated in the news photos.” According to chrisgaff1000 its all down to the communists.
Chris your wrong, Is Mise has produced the evidence that it’s The Greens and their bans on Jewish businesses. Might there be a connection? Is Mise what a silly question, you have established that fact, have you not? Hold on new evidence has come to light it was a former Liberal PM from 30 years back.
From the evidence presented I can now name the 3 guilty Lebs. Joe Stalin, Bob Brown and Malcolm Fraser.

Paul,

I only asked the question whether the Greens anti-semitic activities might have had anything to do with the attack. I offered no evidence;
just postulated that anti Jewish bias and advocacy by the Greens might have helped induced the same behavior in others.

The world has seen enough of anti-semitism.

" This is evidence of growing anti-Semitism in Sydney, not limited to brutal physical assaults allegedly committed by morons. A crude loathing of Jews and Israel is also obvious in protests against the Max Brenner chain of chocolate shops, which is Jewish-owned."

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/take-the-prochocolate-approach-to-fighting-antisemitism/story-fni0cwl5-1226747798467

Gee! I didn't even know the greens were anti Jewish. I must have missed something somewhere. Bob Brown had better watch himself or he might have a Mossad in his pants.

granted bail to appear at Waverley Local Court
Paul1405,
You see the wrongs already started with this. Why are they not behind bars until then ?

Is Mise; "only asked the question whether the Greens anti-semitic activities might have had anything to do with the attack. I (Is Mise) offered no evidence." On balance I would say such an assertion is not valid and at best highly unlikely. If this attack was in some way anti-Jewish I would take it to be more like the work of right wing neo-nazi types who demonstrate a propensity for violence. Of course you offered no evidence, as there is none.
As for your link to the criminal Murdoch fish wrapper. I expect no less from such a sleazy publication as the Daily Telecrap. Do they still have the rants of Piers Akerman. Since the invention of toilet paper I thought the criminals "news" papers had become redundant. Seems not, they still have the Is Mise types hanging off every word.

None the less, Paul, certain Greens have exhibited antisemitic propensities.

'Fess up, Paul, the boycott of Jewish businesses in Marrickville was Green led and Green inspired.

BAIL! Do we still have a bail system.
Indi. I can think of 2 possible explanation why the accused were granted bail.
The first is, the magistrate is a closet Jew hating, commie, pinko, red green,boatie, bolshe Leb lover. Or maybe the charge, in the yes of the magistrate, does not warrant remand. Naturally in the Kangaroo Court here there would be no Bail, heck there would be no trial, just the noose.

The thread highlights the advance of PC across our country.
First almost all agree the crime is wrong.
We then see other cases of race hate, one is the banning of a Jewish chocolate business.
Paul do the crime do the time *it is a greens run racist thing*
And you warn me not to be racist?Greens are quite mad.
We will always have racists,from any group including us.
Maybe a case, can be made against me, for my total opposition to boat people.
However,and yes as the filth so far caught are not to be named! PC again, we can only guess at the racial background involved.
And wounder if this racism is endemic in their back ground.
Is a all inclusive Australia, proud of its multi cultures afraid to tell us the truth.
Is suppression of truth a tool we want used?

Well yes, Belly...

"However,and yes as the filth so far caught are not to be named!"

But that is usual for accused who are to appear before a childrens court.

"PC again, we can only guess at the racial background involved. And wounder if this racism is endemic in their back ground."

This article gives you more info on that:

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/the-mother-of-the-boy-accused-of-racehate-attack-in-bondi-works-in-a-jewish-nursing-home/story-fni0cx12-1226748562990

For those on here playing the race card! You just hung a couple of Lebanese kids over this. Ops... the accused are not Lebanese, not even Arab. Fellas time to find another ethnic group to hang.

"Paul do the crime do the time *it is a greens run racist thing* Naturally In your eyes no need for the formality of a trial, just hang em' high. Judge Belly presiding. If you need "evidence" its there in black and white, in The Daily Telegraph.

Wm Trevor thanks Paul? no thanks not buying your views or thoughts.
First Wm Trevor I understand the law involving children before the courts.
It as far as I can remember always been so, what however about the 23 year old on bail.
The mothers words gave us more information than justice ever will, she is suffering and like every mother defending her child.
What do we the victims get out of never being told of the racial back ground of these kids.
How is not letting us know of the long list of offenses helping the boy or us.
Some country,s use shaming, we just discount the crime because of age ignoring his disgusting record and hide it.
NOTE Paul,s reactions, jump to the defense of the offenders every time.
Pacific Islanders some of them, are of little value in my opinion as migrants, we never stop paying for their drunken Warrior gang culture.
In the name of stopping racist crimes are we to protect as Paul does one race [perpetrators] while naming the victims.
Do we have a right, [remember without his mothers pain filled words we know nothing] to know these kids criminal records?
Paul are some racists better than others, you do the greens little good in this thread.

Paul,
The article says a group mainly comprised of Pacific islanders, it doesn't say that the offenders were Islanders and since only three of the eight were captured you're assuming that they are of Islander background, by their skin tone and build in the photos do they look like Islanders to you?
Furthermore the Police said that the offenders had no links to Islam, that means that they're either not religious or from another religion, why would they even bother pointing that out if the offenders were Pacific Islanders? The boys arrested are clearly not Islanders and according to the Police not Muslim, so until proven otherwise they're "Men of Middle Eastern appearance with no connection to Islam".
Youth gangs are often multicultural in this country, in my daughter's circle of friends there's currently a feud running between a White gang allied with a mixed White and Sudanese gang on one side and a Lebanese gang on the other and it's not unusual to find Lebanese and Islanders running together in our neck of the woods, the only hoodlums who really segregate are the Asians and Indians.

Jay Of Melbourne, I might know more than you think I know.

Paul,
Oh please, that doesn't work on the internet, you're not going to get into "trouble" for saying more than I think you might know unless you identify the offenders by name. Are they Lebanese, White or some other ethnicity?

One can only hope that when the hype with bikie gangs settles down the attention will be transferred to all these other ethnic gangs rampaging in our cities and schools.

Jay, if you must know my partner tells me the boys are Islanders. She should know. in her community news travels fast on facebook and phones. She hopes its not the son of a women she used to work with. If it is she tells me the lady is really a very nice person. Now my partner works in a hospital, previously she worked at a nursing home owned by a Jew. Bondi is not far from us. She hopes the whanau are wrong.

Well there you go, I stand corrected.

Paul your information is right, the link near your first post about Lebanese youths and the link is worth reading again.
However in truth what made you think I was talking about Lebanese?
I thinking of the place of the assaults and seeing the pictures thought it may be Aboriginals.
However Racial hate is wrong always.
And more often than not comes from another group within another race.
I think IQ has more to do with these perpetrators, they feed on fights and that can be seen in our north.
A near Local war broke out as they targeted Aboriginals.
Now the facts speak for them selves, left unchallenged we are close to American gang culture threatening us all, including the Biker troublemakers, we will be better without letting that take place.
And if parts of ANY MIGRANT CULTURE are constantly introducing this type of stuff remove them!
Send them back.
We gain nothing by being weak but nice if our acts are rejected.

Hi Belly you last post has restored my faith in you, comrade.

"However in truth what made you think I was talking about Lebanese?" Someone else said Leb.
"However Racial hate is wrong always." Absolutely, Hitler used it, others use it. The thing I find about people from other ethnic backgrounds is when you meet them on a personal level like us 99% are nice people 1% are crap, goes for all We have a wonderful friend and her family from Pakistan, you could not ask to meet nicer people. We have a gay couple who are friends I wish my "marriage" had been half as good as theirs is. No better couple could you ask for, straight or gay. My partners brother, if you seen him coming down the street you might cross the road to "avoid a bashing" you might think, when you get to know him, he's a big softy, does heaps for the community, fund raising, helping out etc.
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Belly, True story about 18 months ago, there's a commotion out side our place in inner Sydney, yelling etc. I goes out there's 4 big Tongans got this weedy little white guy, about to give him a bashing, what can I do, calls out to my partner "come quick". She's a 5 foot nothing 60 odd year old little Maori woman. She quickly steps in and gives the Tongan boys a real talking to, no fear for her own safety, I found out later, she was in no danger the boys would not lay a finger on her, because of respect. On the surface it could have been taken as a racial thing Tongans bash white guy. But what had actually happened one of the Tongans sisters aged 15 had been walking in the street and this bloke about 40 odd, had made "remarks" about her body and what he wanted to do. She runs home quick, in fright crying, told bro and mates, down the street they go with her she points him out, and the boys set upon him in front of our place. They were ready to bash this bloke senseless, but thanks to a little old Maori women whitey lived for another day. I liked the part where the Tongan bro said to white guy "If we tell our father, he, cut your head off... with machete." The bloke turned even more white, partner told him on your way quick, before they change their minds about you.
p/s If I had stepped in alone I would have got bashed as well.

Paul I too have mates who fit your partners size and type.
Racism is always wrong, in saying that many will hold me to account for my views on boat people and yes Muslims.
All it must be said in those groups are not the problem.
Some however are, and we should address that, in my opinion by harsh but fair means.
Including deportation.
We must place more value on any ones rights to walk our streets in safety.
I try to understand what drives minority racism.
It can be fear or even not under standing but both play no role in this bashing of older folk and open racism.
However if the court concentrates on the crime, not the ages or race of the offenders it could lead to them learning and some self improvement.
Many if not most who defend boat arrivals will not hear of my fears of racial enclaves.
And above all just how many would come if we opened the gates.
If a war broke out on the Asian continent it is possible we would be unable to stop hundreds of thousands arriving in just months.
We too should not over look Tongans in big numbers are very active and family loving Christians.

Don't you consider Paul, that we should send all these Tongans back to where they come from.

We don't allow people to take the law into their own hands. Beating someone to a pulp, or attacking them with a machete may be acceptable behavior in Tonga, but it is not here, regardless of any verbal provocation.

These islanders are far too prone to attacking people, & Oz would be better off without them.

NZ has problems from Islanders too. Isn't the sly route to Australia via NZ? What cooperative action should Aus and NZ take to prevent that happening and hopefully to return what are illegal immigrants anyhow?

Aotearoa has a total population of about 4.5 million, two thirds are of European ancestry and 15% are Maori, about 680,000. The numbers from Pacific islands is around 300,000. Cook Islanders, Niueans and Tokelauans get automatic citizenship but Samoans, Tongans and Fijians don’t and they account for about 200,000 of the total islander population. In the overall population the only uncontrolled migratory group are the 2% from mainly the Cook Islands.
Beach I can’t see how you can claim “NZ has problems from Islanders” and as for the “sly route to Australia via NZ?” No evidence of that either. In fact the problem with Kiwi’s migrating to Australia is with NZ, they suffer a loss of their best and brightest and they don’t like it, not Australia, Kiwi migration is a net asset for us.

Hasbeen, If you have Foxtel, the History Channel is running a very good series at the moment on the Rise of Nazism in Germany, you should tune in, you'll get a kick out of it, just sub the word Jew with all those ethnic groups you want to vilify.
The Tongan lads were wrong, but as for sending all these Tongans back to where they come from. No... the "machete" comment was definitely said to put the frighteners on the white fella, it seemed to have the desired affect.

"These islanders are far too prone to attacking people, & Oz would be better off without them." Not from my experience Hasbeen, in the past few years I've been with my partner I have attended many events, fund raisers, parties etc all sorts of socials with lots of Maori and Islanders and there's never been any trouble. Yet years back I would go to the footy at the SCG every Saturday. Without fail there would be a drunken brawl every week on the 'Hill" and there wasn't a Maori or Islander in sight. White fellas were far too prone to attacking people. Have they changed?

Paul1405,
You have obviously never been on the wrong end of a vicious malicious and race driven attack by Pacific Islanders.

These people have no respect for the white races, probably with cause,and will attack in a pack at the drop of a hat.

They have been cannibals and headhunters for centuries.

They laugh as they kick someones head in on the ground and look to their peers for approval.

They get here through New Zealand and at the moment here in Cairns have even the local aborigines and West African scared crapless.

The government is moving rapidly towards including these ethnic gangs in the "criminal Gang Laws" but most of us in the job feel that it is too late.

The difference between the bikie gangs and the Islander and ethnic gangs is the bikies have something to lose the Islanders have nothing to lose and territory and status to gain.

If you feel for these people Paul1405 move to NZ and try to integrate. I am sure the Maori would love all the support they can get.

onthebeach
"the sly route to Australia via NZ" is a fact of life.

Because these Pacific Islands are protectorates of NZ once their people actually get to NZ and remain resident there for six weeks they are entitles to an NZ passport and a visa to Australia.

Once here they can apply for citizenship and you don't have to be employed to get the magic piece of paper from the GG and then straight onto the dole or in most cases the Disability pension for being obese.

It Magic so who needs people smugglers?

As usual, no Aussies involved.

What can i say, Multiculturalism, seemed like a good idea at the time!

Chris, I don't have a problem with minority groups, you ask
"You (Paul1405) have obviously never been on the wrong end of a vicious malicious and race driven attack by Pacific Islanders." No Chris it must be the uniform that brings it upon you.
"probably with cause" can you elaborate on those causes, could it have anything to do with coppers?
"They have been cannibals and headhunters for centuries." Not this century. When I visit Brisbane and go to Logan with my partner, we have never had any trouble there, in South Auckland we walk around at night, no trouble, "T" has whanau living in Manurewa, we must just be lucky.
Living in a relatively isolated community like Cairns, you may be getting a distorted view of the rest of the world. Couple your isolation with your obvious inbuilt prejudices towards minorities and your views could well become extremely distorted.
The European inhabitants of North Queensland are not particularly known for their tolerance of others,
Are you not in that part of the world where not so long ago they were 'blackbirding' Pacific Islanders, you know turning them into slaves. that practice continued into the 20th century, up that way long after even the Americans had outlawed slavery.
As for you Chris, are you still throwing gays into the Parramatta River? a bit far to travel for a bit of fun, I suppose. Now you could try throwing some of those obese islanders into the Barron River, make a change, but don't get a hernia.
"If you feel for these people Paul1405 move to NZ and try to integrate. I am sure the Maori would love all the support they can get." Might just do that one day. Bay of Islands looks good.
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"Pacific Islands are protectorates of NZ, NZ passport and a visa to Australia." Factually incorrect New Zealanders do not require a visa to enter Australia. of the 3 islands you call "protectorates" The Cook Islands with a population of 15,000 is by far the biggest. As I pointed out in my previous post, Samoans, Tongans and Fijians account for about 200,000 of the total islander population in NZ. By living in NZ these people have no "special" rights when it comes to migration to Australia. Your are alarmist if you believe Australia could one day be flooded by Islanders, there is just not the population in that part of the world for that to happen.

The point is rather that there are ethnic gangs and they are encouraging their youth to do the same. It doesn't take millions to wreak havoc and tie up available police patrols.

Qld footballer Jonathan Thurston's uncle was killed in a brawl between Aboriginals and Samoans.

<Judge calls for hammer ban after death of Johnathan Thurston's uncle Richard Saunders

THE Queensland Government should look at introducing laws to restrict carrying hammers which might be used as weapons, a judge suggested today.

In the Supreme Court in Brisbane, Justice Ros Atkinson was taking submissions on the second day of a hearing in which eight men are being sentenced for the bashing death of rugby league star Jonathan Thurston's uncle Richard Saunders.
...
During submissions for a juvenile offender, Justice Atkinson noted that while he was not the one to use the hammer in the attack the juvenile had been carrying a hammer before the events of the night.

"It is such a dangerous thing to do and it is almost inevitable that somebody would be hurt," she said.

Justice Atkinson asked Mr Fuller if there should be legislative reform to make carrying a hammer in such circumstances an offence.
.....
Justice Atkinson also asked if a formal reconciliation of some kind could be arranged between the Samoan community and the Aboriginal community in Townsville, where Mr Saunders's family lived.

In March a jury found Vaai Saua Emelio, 19, Likisone Siliga, 27, Len Junior Wilson, 19, and a juvenile, now 17, guilty of the manslaughter of Thurston's uncle Richard Saunders, 38, but all four were found not guilty of Mr Saunders' murder.

They were also found guilty of various assaults on two other men in the park, Gordon Dale Willis and Harold John Bond.

Before the trial four others - three juveniles and a fourth man Salomona Tie Tie, 20, - pleaded guilty to manslaughter and various assault charges on Mr Willis and Mr Bond.>

http://tinyurl.com/blame-the-hammer

Gangs in NZ,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gangs_in_New_Zealand

Paul I know you find me difficult to read on the subject of racism.
Let me tell you this, self praise is no recommendation, in fact often a lie.
But I will bet no one here try,s harder to get along with any race.
At work my old office was near a enclave, no other word bar self imposed separation will cover it of Sundanese Migrants.
I always, every time, said Gday, to every one of them, and received hate filled glares only in return.
I again at work, picked up a man of Tongan back ground, he and others of his race said he was a prince there.
I put up bail, reintroduced him to the workforce , after saveing his job, he worked in my road crew.
His crimes? well the night before he bashed a man in a pub and one police man who came to arrest him.
Over lunch one day on the road side I told him how much I enjoyed the movie the night before *once we were warriors*
He sneered and strongly said these words *them Maoris are nothing! it us who really win every brawl.
He found no help next court time and I did my bail cold.
Consider balance before branding others racist mate.

You Paul have obviously not been to Logan, with your eyes open, where islander problems are outweighing all the other ethnic problems. The are even forcing the aboriginals out of all those housing commission homes. I suppose you are the white uncle tom figure to these people.

A no, I don't approve of throwing gays into the Parramatta river. I can't abide people doing such things. It is wrong to contaminate a nice river with rubbish.

Belly, don't make the mistake of referring to one specific case and then extrapolating that to cover all. Your Tongan fella from what you say is not much chop, is he the only Tongan you have ever known? I believe Ivan Milat the notorious backpacker killer worked on road gangs to. I'm sure if you had known Milat you would not now be calming the notorious killer is indicative of his race.
The redneck mob on here have no problem finding examples of abysmal behavior by members of ethnic groups they don't like, and there are plenty of minorities for them to hate. This targeting simply reinforces their already bigoted mindset.
What ethnic group in our society, or for that matter in any society, does not have problems, the all do.

"Consider balance before branding others racist mate." Where is the balance here from the usual suspects, do they ever point to any good in minorities in society.

A Sikh taxi driver from Melbourne, Lakhwinder Singh Dhillon, who found more than $110,000 and $500,000 in casino chips in a bag inside his cab returned it to the lucky owners. Does this prove all Sikhs must be wonderfully honest people? No, just shows one particular Sikh is very honest. Belly do you get my point?

"A no, I don't approve of throwing gays into the Parramatta river. I can't abide people doing such things. It is wrong to contaminate a nice river with rubbish." Some might think Hasbeen is making a joke, but the joke is, its no joke.

Yes Paul it was a joke, but let me assure throwing someone like you in there would cause even more pollution than hundreds of queers, but would be a privilege very hard to resist.

Paul first lets highlight Hasbeens words to you, and well yes increasing insults based on race seen in these pages of late.
Too based on politics, do we need such?
I do not think you can win your point with truly feeble, and blind references to my single person.
My point, and without the need for spite used Hasbeens, are well known and proved.
Here is the tipping point for greens, you and your isolated party fail to understand black is the dark color white is the other.
Preaching anti racism, while ignoring this.
*At the heart of this thread is an act of racism*
Bought about in part by the fact such hate always finds some one/you to defend the act by?
At some point in the debate saying those offended by the act are? RACIST!
Mate can you see, like of your little party you twist the true words and actions of racist criminals who we talk about to defend them.
And too to charge us with racism for our harmless and true words?
Your contribution highlights why your party is shrinking.

Racial vilification is alive and well in our Australia community Racism is not new in Australia, it roots can be traced back to the day of Chinese on the gold fields, and probably back beyond that. The European in general has looked upon the Aboriginal as "inferior" to himself ever since he arrived in 1788. We have a number of classic race haters on this forum and they follow the general pattern of vilification. They are no different to Hitler, only that Hitler operated on a much grander scale.
The classic vilifier follows a predictable pattern, firstly identifying a target group. Then blame that group for the creation of problems in society. The hater will highlight pacific instances of unacceptable behavior by a few members of the group, and then extrapolate that individual behavior as a generalisation for the entire group. The hater will point out differences between them and us, these differences are usually religious and/or cultural and are deemed unacceptable, and because of these differences the group does not fit into our society and is inferior. The hater creates exaggerated myths about the targeted group, such as the group is plotting and scheming to undermine society, the hater will claim the group is receiving undeserved benefit from society. All along the hater is trying to present himself as reasonable and at the same time trying to convinces others, particularly the moderates and waverers, but generally like minded people, of the correctness of what is being said. Ultimately the hater demands action against the targeted group, claiming it as necessary in the extreme, and even blaming the group as being responsible for what should befall them, the classic 'they brought it upon themselves'. The hater attacks anyone who should defend or support the group, the misguided do gooders, the liberal politicians and those that cooperate with the group for advantage.
If it’s not Hitler and the Jews, then tell me how it’s different here, other than Hitler acted on a momentous scale and this is a little political forum.

I saw a different thread than the one Paul has seen, in fact if we open our minds this thread started as a way to combat racism in our country.
Nothing can change the words and actions of that group, including assault and the words of bigotry happened.
To in a link that SHOUTED a mothers pain ,and the true nature of her son at this point in his life at least, one of the offenders.
Paul is probably a nice bloke, the thought our political enemy's/opposites are lessor is stupidity.
But he here in plain view warns us not to fall for his side of politics.
They dream dreams of the impossible.
They find the need to defend any thought or action the mainstream opposes.
It is easy to do so, but imposable to ever transfer such a party and such thoughts in to an alternative government.

"If it’s not Hitler and the Jews, then tell me how it’s different here, other than Hitler acted on a momentous scale and this is a little political forum."

No, Paul, of late it's been some of the Greens, particularly in Marrickville, with their bans on Jewish businesses.

Hi Folks,

Goodness me, this is getting a bit heated.

It seems that we're forgetting that Australian
society today is a gathering of many cultures
and this is one of the most unique and rewarding
aspects of living in this country. The wide and
varied gathering of "identities" is in keeping
with the sense of potential and openess so many
people enjoyed on coming here. We're all lucky
to be citizens of a free and prosperous country.
Australia is a happier land than most others.
Lets concentrate on what unites us, not on our
divisions.
Please?

cont'd ...

There's enough hatred in the world.
We need to fight that, not each other.

Foxy,
We may be a "gathering of many cultures" But I can assure you there are many individuals here in Australia that did not fight a number of wars to have these "many cultures" come here and try to take whatever culture we have away especially through the insinuation of their minority cultures and seasoned with the inherent violence of their countries.
Nobody asked the average Australian. Nobody asked me if we wanted it.

Belly, I re read your original post. have I lost something in the translation?
"in fact if we open our minds this thread started as a way to combat racism in our country."
I certainly agreed with the general comments of Race Discrimination Commissioner Tim Soutphommasane. I do however feel he was premature in branding this particular incident as a case of racial vilification before he had become fully acquainted with all the facts of the matter Mr Soutphommasane used the incident as a timely opportunity to push his message, but it also gave the red-necked ratbags an opportunity to peddle their own agenda of hate.
There was those who used the incident to do some racial bashing of minorities. Launching racial attacks on "Islanders" using the alleged actions of a few to unjustly stigmatise all within that community. Belly you seized upon an incident you had concerning a Tongan, when I asked how many Tongans you actually had interacted with you did not reply.
Foxy I whole heartily agree with your comments. ".... Lets concentrate on what unites us, not on our divisions."
I make no apology for my critique on racial vilification with its confronting comparison with Hitler, and how some, be it on a much smaller scale, act in the same way on race as the Nazi's did with the Jews.

Dear Chris,

Those who break our laws (no matter who they are)
should of course be held accountable. However deciding
ahead of time who can come to this country based only
on what they may or may not do is not logical. It does
not account for individual differences within each of
the various groups, and predicting someone's behaviour
is a risky business at the best of times. You claim that
you weren't consulted on immigration policies - none of us
ever are, we elect representatives who we think will
represent our views, and we certainly can make our feelings
known to our MPs. If it makes you feel any better - you should
perhaps do just that, if you feel so strongly about things.

Paul,

"I make no apology for my critique on racial vilification with its confronting comparison with Hitler, and how some, be it on a much smaller scale, act in the same way on race as the Nazi's did with the Jews."

Glad that you agree that the actions of the Greens (not all of them) were wrong in boycotting Jewish businesses in Marrickville.

cont'd ...

I'm not aware of any major group of people who
have tried to take anything away from any of us
in this country. The majority of immigrants have
worked hard and have contributed immensely. It's
only a small minority that have made newspaper
headlines - and they've come from a variety of
cultures and continents - including New Zealand,
and Britain. Recent violent acts that have been
perpetrated against both the young and the old
have been done by young alcohol-driven thugs.
Locals, born and bred here. Glassing is a crime that
has gained popularity recently amongst the young.
"Schoolies Week" in both Queensland and along the
coastal towns such as Byron Bay - are simply dreaded
by the local population due to the damage that these
kids inflict. In recent times - the police numbers
have been increased to deal with the situation.
Sad state of affairs.

Is Mise, during the last state election campaign our candidate for the seat of Heffron (it boarders the seat of Marrickville) was racially vilified outside Erskineville railway station, by what I can only assume were 2 Jewish gentlemen. Naturally our candidate tried to reason with the gentlemen in a calm and considerate manner over the very issue you raise. The pair were not having a bar of it and through their yelling one could gather their racial and sexist slurs about our candidate being a Muslim woman. I know this happened as I was there, in my usual non confrontationist style, I told the good gentlemen to "F OFF", our candidate would never do that. With that they grabbed our flyers from the table and throw them in the air, then took off. We take that as part and parcel of politics and don't give it a second thought. We always have at least one other person with our candidate when campaigning for safety, not only are the ratbags and rednecks on this forum, they are out there as well. Politics can become heated at times in inner Sydney, its not leafy Turramurra as they say.
PS, Is Mise, were you in Ersko' outside the railway station one Saturday morning a couple of years back? Nah, these guys were in their 30's, too young to be you.

Foxy, "Recent violent acts that have been perpetrated against both the young and the old have been done by young alcohol-driven thugs.
Locals, born and bred here."

Obviously, you choose to disregard reports such as this one,

<Criminal bikie gangs boost numbers with young Muslim and Eastern European recruits
October 07, 2013
Gold Coast bikie gangs are actively targeting hot-blooded young Muslim and Eastern European men as they seek to beef up their ranks with aggressive ethnic recruits.

Sources say gangs such as the Bandidos are embracing multiculturalism, signing up Lebanese, Turkish and Balkan members, many from Sydney and Melbourne.

The trend mirrors the early stages of the rise of crime gangs in southern states who recruited from ethnic groups, sources say.

Pacific Islanders such as violent Bandido and Muslim convert Leonard Toalei are also being targeted.>
http://tinyurl.com/lgmex5m

Foxy, "The majority of immigrants have worked hard and have contributed immensely"

The usual highly optimistic politically correct motherhood statement used to justify 'diversity' and record numbers of migrants.

In fact migrants are like the Prelate's egg, good and bad in parts. There needs to be better screening of migrants. Immigration authorities need to be very discriminating in who is allowed to settle here. Some groups are notorious for violence, traditions that are opposite to Australia and must not be imported, eg FGM, and generations dependent on 'Wonderful Centrelink'.

Foxy, "Schoolies Week..are simply dreaded by the local population due to the damage that these kids inflict"

Do they? What is sad is that you are desperately comparing the revelry school kids with the criminal violence of thugs who traffic drugs and for whom is always the first resort to end a disagreement.

The Institute of Criminology tells us that
"We need to provide an insightful and balanced
understanding of the causes of violent crime and
violent behaviour as well as the necessity of
proposing ways in which we can all enjoy the
benefits of living in a less violent country."

Violence in our society extends much further than
what's sensationalised in the media. And although it
may be newsworthy - it does not do anything constructive
in solving the problem.

Instead of selectively picking out links that support
one's views - I would politely suggest
broaden one's on-line searches to include a wider
perspective on the subject.

Foxy, "Instead of selectively picking out links that support one's views - I would politely suggest broaden one's on-line searches to include a wider perspective on the subject"

Says the poster who compares the shocking violence of ethnic OMG bikies with the innocent revelry of schoolies at the beach.

OMG bikie violence in Sydney is alleged to be 'Leb on Leb', Google that and don't try to shift blame to school children.

Kindly do not put your thoughts into my mouth.
And then attack me for them.

That's being a troll and a bully and deserves
suspension.

Sorry but in the strangest way I think some want us to not talk about racism, even when it stares us in the face.
We, me too, tend to lash out about some groups we just find no common ground with, or reason to share our country with.
But draw the line when as Paul has. protecting some who are without doubt RACISTS.
What else do we call this group of Jew baiting bashers of elderly people?
Paul selects the parts of our posts he needs to build a charge we are racist.
In relation to the Elephant in any room that mentions racism, Muslims, do we understand even I know not all are a problem.
But are we to pretend we do not see the trouble in Europe?
Do we continue to see the Sydney riot as just a small thing.
Are we content to forget years of racial taunting and hate at Cronulla beach by Muslim youth? and tell of AUSTRALIAN SHAME?
We sooner rather than latter must confront all racism and explore the reasons it is born, these young men who acted so badly if confronted with our true thoughts can turn their life around.
Some may but if racism is wrong and it is then it is always wrong.

Dear Belly,

As I stated in my earlier post - we need to provide
an insightful and balanced understanding of the
causes of violent crime and violent behaviour.
Only then can we try to find ways in which we can all
enjoy the benefits of living in a less violent country.
Violence in our society extend much further than
what's sensationalised in the media.

I'm glad that you agree that we must look at the reasons
behind the problem and try to find ways to solve it.

Paul,

I don't doubt for one moment that a couple of Jews, incensed by the goings on in Marrickville, had a verbal go at a Green's candidate and sent some of the flyers flying.

Do you doubt that the Greens in Marrickville were having a verbal go at the Jews and were exhorting people to boycott Jewish businesses?

Foxy,

Exactly where is this post putting words into your mouth? Here again and please be specific, because for starters you did conflate the innocent revelry of school children cerebrating the end of year 12 with the despicable criminal violence wreaked by ethnic gangs.

Here is my post again, and it is spot on:
<Foxy, "Instead of selectively picking out links that support one's views - I would politely suggest broaden one's on-line searches to include a wider perspective on the subject"

Says the poster who compares the shocking violence of ethnic OMG bikies with the innocent revelry of schoolies at the beach.

OMG bikie violence in Sydney is alleged to be 'Leb on Leb', Google that and don't try to shift blame to school children.>

otb,

No I did not conflate Schoolies with bikie gangs.
You made that connection all on your own. What I
did was refer to "Schoolies Week," and the problems
associated with it. As a result of which on the
Gold Coast and other coastal areas in Queensland,
like Byron Bay, the
police are increasing their numbers to prevent the
violence and problems that the week brings. Also,
hotels are keeping their high-rise balconies under
lock and key - to prevent disasters and acts of alcohol -
induced violence taking place.
All this was on the news broadcasts - it's not something
that I've made up.

You were the one that brought up bikies and made the connection
with Schoolies all by yourself and then slandered me for it.
As Belly once told you, "You invent my thoughts and then
slander me with that invention. Post what you wish but please
do not in your blind and rude fashion refer to me."

Foxy,

You do try hard but there is no way that Schoolies Week and school kids have anything to do with the subject of this thread. You are desperate to divert attention, to foist the blame onto schoolchildren for the dreadful violence that is occurring. It is, despite your smokescreens, linked to criminal gangs resolving problems as their ethnic backgrounds dictate, which is with weapons.

It is a thread on racial hate and violence. Nothing to do with school children at the beach enjoying welcome relief from year 12.

Post war migration has been a nett positive for Australia and native born Australians there in. It has helped Australia develop both economically and culturally. I don't say immigration does not have its problems on both sides of the fence, it does, but Australia has been most fortunate in attracting people who have been in the main, hard working and law abiding. people who ultimately enrich Australia.
Post WWII Australia attracted refugees from Southern Europe, "Refuo'", amongst other names as they were disparagingly called by some sections of the Australian community we also attracted many British migrants as well, ever though they were "more like us" they too received a good deal of racial dislike, I wont say hate, as I don't believe it extended that far. Although the 'Wingeing Pom' received his fair share of abuse. It must have been most difficult for these new arrivals, trying to establish a new life in a new country, but with Australia's help and their own resources the vast majority were able to achieve just that. Today, the children and grandchild of those early post war migrants are well established in the modern Australian society.
Our newest arrivals are even more culturally and ethnically diverse from the so called ideal Australian of yesteryear, like the migrants mentioned above they too face very much the same problems and obstacles that all migrants to this country have faced. I am confident given time these new arrivals will fit in to an ever changing Australian society, as their children and grandchildren will most certainly do.
Australia could not isolate itself from the rest of the world even if it so desired, migration to our under populated continent is inevitable and like the tide we can't stop it. It is far better to work with immigration that fight what would prove to be a futile endeavor. Lets all enjoy the benefits that migrants bring and work to correct any problems.

Dear Paul,

Thank You for such a balanced post.

As I stated earlier -
We need to provide an insightful and balanced
understanding of the causes of violent crime and
violent behaviour and find the necessity of
proposing ways in which we can all enjoy the benefits
of living in a less violent country. Violence in our
society extends much further than what's sensationalised
in the media.

A very well balanced post, Paul.
I first encountered migrants as a "call boy" (no! not what some of you are thinking!) at the old Locomotive Depot at Enfield and I found it fascinating to meet, as workmates, people from many other cultures and many of them became friends.
They assimilated well,but there was one big difference, they didn't have some of their religious leaders preaching hatred and running down the local culture and it is for these reasons that some of the current problems will continue beyond the grandchildren of today's generation.

Dear Is Mise,

Thank You for raising this very valid point.

Ignorance is one of the major causes
of unpleasant, or criminal, disconnects between people.
In extreme cases, terrorism aimed at killing fellow
humans exists and has to be explained. The lack of
exposure to other cultures leads to narrow-mindedness
and, worse, to an "us-them" divide.

Education is the answer.

Foxy is quite right education is the answer, but it too is the problem.
Are we trying to look good here, posting nice views we thought long and hard about, like putting on new clothing?
I hope most are not, sometimes the truth has more value.
Paul looks nice, a mate of mine he dressed up for the kill.
But why the MARICKVILLE LUNATIC anti Jewish campaign lead by the most radical fool in his party the Greens, find a way to say it is not the truth!.
It equals the racist assault we speak of here.
Now education, surely some understand bad or no education is the first tool in a racists tool box, along with hate.
Those foolish young men may be pillars of their community one day.
They unlike adults like the Marickvile Dill can learn.
Go back look again how would we tell of this event?
Elderly Jewish men assaulted but leave out how did it because to report the truth is racism.
Paint your pictures of my racism, but know it is weird stuff.
Any one assaulting folk of this age are less than nice.

I needed to add this in life we must not blind our selves nothing can ever be perfect.
And in response to those who want a leg in both camps, to say the assault was bad but talking of what divides us is racism.
To not understand a basic, we must in every part of life stride for better, is to forget it can only be by free speech and true debate we can change anything.
Hiding racism can not work.
Just as surely as racism is always bad it come from minority's too.
And they like all racists should be bought to task for the actions like this threads event of interest, do not put the rent on any of them being sent away for this.

Foxy, "Ignorance is one of the major causes of unpleasant, or criminal, disconnects between people.....The lack of exposure to other cultures leads to narrow-mindedness and, worse, to an "us-them" divide."

You would be one of the very, very few people on Earth whose rigid authoritarian Left idealism (to put the kindest possible tag on it) makes the vulnerable, uninvolved victims of terrorism responsible for the terrorism that is waged against them.

The victims themselves are blameworthy in your weird world because of their 'disconnects' with the terrorists and their 'lack of exposure to other cultures' and their 'narrow-mindedness' that you say causes a 'them and us divide'.

You would 'educate' the victims as well apparently. That is very nasty stuff.

The benefit of the freedom of speech that authoritarian Left bigots like Nicola Roxon tried to censor with restrictions on the media is that sooner or later the political extremists are uncovered and usually through their own utterances and behaviour. Even so, the Trotskyist Greens Watermelons have always managed to fly under the radar. You seem to be always talking their talk and walking their walk. But last election an exasperated public caught up with them, which is a good thing too.

Dear Belly,

I'm glad that we agree on this issue.

I've just come across a link that may be of interest.
I'd like to quote a bit from it:

"As Australia's population grows and becomes even more
culturally diverse, government will need to be increasingly
proactive to ensure that racism is kept in check and that
social cohesion is nurtured. Australia's national
anti-racism strategy needs to be strengthened and integrated
into the education curriculum, not only in civics and
citizenship, but also in core subjects such as history,
geography, and English literature."

"Now is also not the time to water down Australia's laws
against incitement to racial hatred. On the contrary, the
incident in Bondi illustrates that the current review by the
NSW government of the criminal law against serious incitement
to racial hatred needs to be given high priority."

"According to the 2011 census, some 140 linguistic, cultural or
ethno-religious groups are represented in the Australian
population with more than 300 ancestries. For more than
40 percent of Australians, one or both parents were born
overseas."

"If we are to keep Australia safe and free, racism is an evil
we can no longer avoid tackling head on."

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/oct/28/antisemitic-attack-bondi

Foxy only a fool could not agree with every word in your post.
However they are just words , while some action is assured you can bet in the short term not enough.
And unfortunate truths will not go away.
Racism is not the exclusive property of us unwashed Australians.
Here is my message, I every day see racism from minority's, THERE DONE IT!
Made a target out of myself, Paul is now scanning my every word to find out why I dare say that.
See we have seen HITLER bought up here, why would one of history's most evil men be compared with comments put up in this thread.
Never forget he lead his Nation, he bought them along to share his hate of others.
The west helped him! long after *they knew of the death camps* they did nothing.
Post war they sent Russians home knowing it was to their deaths.
So lets educate lets breed out the hate, never give up fighting it.
But to fix it both sides must always be held to account always.
And Foxy with the best of good will we must confront a section, not the lot, of our migrants must bury the hate they bought with them, sometimes that hate is directed at us.
And too the case under question shames most from within the community these youths came from, their parents are victims too and at least one we heard of here broken hearted.
Tongans mostly are strong active Christians

Dear Belly,

Most human groups tend to display ethnocentrism,
the tendency to judge other cultures by the
standards of one's own. And some measure of
ethnocentrism is almost unavoidable in any racial
or ethnic group.

To most people, it is self-evident that their own
norms, religion, attitudes, values, and cultural
practices are right and proper, while those of other
groups may seem inappropriate, peculiar, bizarre, or
even immoral.

Within limits, such ethnocentrism can be functional for the
group's survival, for these attitudes ensure its
members' solidarity and cohesion. People who believe that
their group and its way of life are "best" will have
faith and confidence in their own cultural tradition,
will discourage penetration by outsiders, and will unite
to work for their common goals.

The key feature of prejudice is that it's always rooted
in generalisations and so ignores the differences
amongst individuals. Therefore someone who's prejudiced
against Arabs will tend to have a negative attitude
toward any individual Arab, in the belief that all Arabs
share the same supposed traits.

People who are prejudiced against one minority group
tend to be prejudiced against others. The irrationality
of prejudice shows that prejudiced people may be hostile
towards groups they could never have met or even have heard of.

People's personalities - including their thoughts and
feelings develop in, and are shaped by, their social
context. Certain environments, therefore, tend to
encourage or discourage prejudice. In general, if groups
interact regularly on terms of equality and co-operation,
there is likely to be little prejudice among it members.
Conversely, if there is inequality, competition, and
minimal contact between groups, prejudice can develop
unchecked.

Belly & Foxy,
"As Australia's population grows and becomes even more
culturally diverse"
Should read;
"As Australia's population grows and becomes even more
culturally divided"
Foxy,
Its a bit like that old "you can lead the horse to water but you can't make it drink" thing
You can only educate someone if they want to be educated and what you are teaching has some meaning in their life.
Being able to speak the English language and the use of it in everyday community interaction needs to be the criteria for entry into the Australian society.
At the moment everywhere you go the "new settlers" are conversing in their own language firstly generating suspicion and paranoia in the average Australian. New Australians tend to group together with their ethnic brothers as a means of protection against the inroads of the cultural norm of the Australian society.
If they want to live in this country then leave their so called cultural baggage behind. Bring the good and dump the bad.

Belly,
The minorities thrive on racism and discrimination.
Take it out of their live and they would have nothing to complain about.
What right have they to complain anyway.
They came from the bad to the good.
Let them suck it up and get on with integrating into the fabric rather than trying to have the fabric rewoven to suit their cultural and/or religious outlooks.
As far as the Muslims are concerned always remember that their religious leaders preach a Koran version of "Death to the Infidel" and an infidel is defined as anyone who is not a Muslim and that is you and me.

Foxy, a couple of very good posts from you on the need for balance on this. The Guardian article is most agreeable with me. My position is to condemn racism in any form, but at the same time not to attack all members of a community because of the actions of a few. Unfortunately this type of incident gives the lunatic right the opportunity to jump in and push their agenda. Paradoxically, it gives the ratbags the opportunity to use a racial incident to do some racial vilification of their own. The ratbag will cry crocodile tears for the poor Jewish people while pushing a hate message against all within the community of the perpetrators or perceived perpetrators. When it become known that the boys involved were "Islanders" and not "Lebs" as some had hoped, one poster branded the entire community as headhunters and cannibals, totally undesirable.
Beach, a totally incoherent rant on your part linking support for immigrants to terrorism. then the gem "Trotskyist Greens Watermelons" ..."Trotskyists" is that your word of the day, is it, I doubt if you would know a "Trotskyist" if you fell over one.
Belly by and large we are in agreement on most of this. The Hitler line was a qualified comparison.
Chris, all I can say is you display your predigests often on this forum. Still getting your jollies by throwing gays into the Parramatta River?

Chris Gaff in part unless we change you are quite right.
Foxy and Paul while looking for the same world as you both it does not yet exist.
Tell me what country in the world, for that matter what race of people do not have racism in their country/people.
Look at yesterdays news, those body's of about a thousand MURDERED in the break up of the former Yugoslavia, total murdered? unknown.
Look at the Rewanda murders, see the failure of The United Nations people there.
But how did we get to these horrible things here? in a thread about elderly folk Jewish folk, first subjected to hate words then? bashed.
Are we to fight racism, or ignore the racism we saw in our streets and blame the messengers.
And from what moral vacuum can Paul ignore the purely racist idiot in his camp?
Paul unless you take a stand against the racial hate ,anti Jewish hate from the greens rat bag in that council I rather think you have no right to move the subject away from its birth the racial hate on our streets.

Belly, racial vilification takes many forms, from the 'Chinese' kid abusing the old 'European' lady for being to slow getting on the bus, with a "hurry up you wog" to the Hutus murdered hundreds of thousands of Tutsis during the Rawandan genocide. All forms of racism are unacceptable, your line;
"Tell me what country in the world, for that matter what race of people do not have racism in their country/people." The Laplanders, totally non racist, what is the point.
Unless there is another explanation, in a way your line could be taken as being accepting of racism, as racism being a "fact of life" and therefore unavailable. I agree it is rampant and widespread in the world, but I do not see it as the huge problem in Australia, some on here and some in the broader Australia community would like to believe it is. Racism is often fueled by other inequalities, economic inequalities, political inequalities. Racism is general not spontaneous in a community, it requires these other factors along with agitators to ignite within the community. It would be a mistake to resign oneself to accept racism as a fait accompli and simply be accepting of it as a human failing, I do not believe that and through such things as education and social justice people of different races can live together in harmony.

From the SMH in 2011

MARRICKVILLE Council's controversial push for a boycott of Israel was quashed at a tempestuous, crowded meeting last night.

Labor councillors and two Greens who had supported the initial push to support the global Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions campaign against Israel, voted with two independent councillors against it.

Belly, Belly, Belly egg on face ha ha

"And from what moral vacuum can Paul ignore the purely racist idiot in his camp?
Paul unless you take a stand against the racial hate ,anti Jewish hate from the greens rat bag in that council I rather think you have no right to move the subject away from its birth the racial hate on our streets."

Belly very old news, 2011, with your holy than holy, sanctimonious clap trap! At that time Labor held the majority on MARRICKVILLE COUNCIL only 2 Greens supported the motion I do believe 8 LABOR COUNCILLORS actually supported and passed the original "boycott of Israel" resolution.
p/s I did not support the LABOR resolution in the first place, nor did the majority of Greens I spoke to at the time. I thought it was silly. As Fiona Byrne described the whole affair "A storm in a teacup."

A Jewish blogger and pro-Palestinian rights activist, Antony Loewenstein, said he was spat on on his way in (to the meeting) and called a pig.

Belly back in your tree on this one. I will not lower myself to the level of such pious rubbish.

Is Mise "Glad that you agree that the actions of the Greens (not all of them) were wrong in boycotting Jewish businesses in Marrickville."
I described it as silly. I note you also target The Greens alone on this, was that selective or were you just misinformed as usual?

folks,
Take this one on board.
Did they do the wrong thing for the right reasons or the wrong thing for the right reasons or
Did they do the right thing for the right5 reasons?
Sometimes mistakes are made. but lets face it if he had still been in Iran it wouldn't have happened.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/world/19668457/man-wrongly-accused-of-paedophilia-burned-to-death/

Paul,

" I note you also target The Greens alone on this, was that selective or were you just misinformed as usual?"

Selective, I just happen to think that the Greens are a fifth column in Australian politics and I have a go at them at every opportunity, especially when they use Parliamentary Privilege to lie.

Paul putting your head in that bucket and saying it is a fashion accessory is not working.
Your link from 2011 is in fact evidence Labor and two of your party had to pull you out of that septic tank your member placed you in.
Not news too I reminded you of it in a post ,and too that even Bob Brown had concerns about that extremist mad house of a branch!
Is that your branch old mate, is the Jew baiting hate shown by that reject from every left wing nut party worth defending?
Paul no stirring but in truth it is my opinion you do a disservice to your party in picking what racism offends you.
Again in my opinion Greens are on the way out and it is unrealistic views/policy,s/and a willingness to ignore mainstream views that is killing you.
QUESTION are you against the racially based assault on these [some elderly] Jews
Second question would YOU buy a chocolate from the victims of your members open racist embargo?

Do I see Belly and Is Mise dancing (more like hobbling) down the street to their hit tune "Liar,Liar Pants on Fire."
Is Mise, are you still sore because of Lance Boyle and the way The Greens busted Boyle, Sit down, well on second thoughts keep on your feet for another week, the pain from the loss of that Boyle will go, eventually.
"the Greens are a fifth column in Australian politics" what rubbish.
What new gems do I spy from Comrade Belly, MARRICKVILLE LABOR voted to SUPPORT the global Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions campaign against Israel. Do you have a problem with the English language, what part of SUPPORT don't you understand. You are as bad as the Labor Liar who spent a million dollars on her campaign convincing the voters of Marrickville it was all The Greens idea. Tebbutt has lost the backing of Eddie Obeid and the Terrigals, and is getting the boot at the next election.
"QUESTION are you (Paul1405) against the racially based assault on these [some elderly] Jews. I am against any assault, racially based or otherwise.
Can I ask, Are you against the sickening assault The Labor Party has perpetrated against the people of NSW for years.
"Is that your branch old mate" Marrickville branch, no its not, but its close by. Is Long Bay your branch of the ALP? After all its now the biggest and fastest growing branch in NSW, by far. Belly are you a member of the criminal organisation that is the NSW branch of the ALP?
Second question would YOU buy a chocolate from the victims of your members open racist embargo? I though it was a Labor embargo, remember all those Labor Councillors voting for an embargo, or like poor Is Mise do you to suffer from selective memory, he cam blaim his on his Boyle, who can you blame it on, Julia Gillard? Besides didn't the Keneally Labor mob give all the chocolates to your man Obeid?

OK Paul if you insist, that is on changing the subject rather than address it.
And too on your version of the truth in respect to the great pain, and equally shame, we the ALP rank and file feel about the NSW FILTH.
Remember, never will I avoid it, that pocket of filth and all who propped them up *are hated by most in the ALP*
My hate stretches to a Victorian, a power broker and a maggot! Stephen Conroy.
Who has said in public he wants to take the pretense of Membership involvement/having an internal vote away from us.
We know it is just a front, we saw our wish under mined by the bleeding caucus, in no short mesure by that thing Conroy.
OK? tell me bloke, now think hard, 7 years here how many times have I taken the verbal whip to my side Paul?
How dare you bring your curses down on me while you live in your party,s conference room a disused phone box pretending black is white!
On form mate if you ran in todays cup the ambulance would take pity and pick you up in the first 200 meters.
Truth is the first tool in the ALP rebirth well underway

Belly, you took to me as a member of The Greens for commenting on this thread. You claim some link between The Greens, Marrickville Council in 2011 and chocolates excluded me from passing judgement, and having an opinion, as they say.
And from what moral vacuum can Paul ignore the purely racist idiot in his camp? "Paul unless you take a stand against the racial hate ,anti Jewish hate from the greens rat bag in that council I rather think you have no right to move the subject away from its birth the racial hate on our streets."
With the above you totally ignore LABOR involvement in what was a small fracas in a small inner Sydney council. Is that the best you can come up with? It is progressive members of The Greens who more than any can hold their heads up when it come to giving a voice to the voiceless minorities in our community.
p/s I would describe your "pocket of filth" in NSW as a very large pocket indeed. I could easily name a dozen high profile Labor luminaries, past and present, who are rotten to the core. Not withstanding the rottenness of your NSW Party, of which I believe you to be a member, I do not wise to deny you a right to free speech on any subject including this one, despite your attempt to "no right" me.

Well first Paul my reference to my post history, and my marked willingness to kick my sides bottom?
It was to highlight you and for that matter otherS never find reason to look at yours.
You can not deny its here in your post history!
Trying to cover that idiot member of your party who lead the racist rant we speak of.
You came to this thread with *the usual* the assault was wrong BUT.
You introduced Adolph Hitler! and threw him at us, those who told of minority racism.
To ignore the truth and impose your view, always and forever a minority one, is not debate.
IF we do not act on this racist assault we are indeed acting like those in the Germany of 1936, saying some racial hate is OK.

Belly, where am I saying racial hate is ok.
"You (paul1405) came to this thread with *the usual* the assault was wrong BUT. saying some racial hate is OK."
You misrepresent what I am saying.

Point 1. Do not label ALL in a particular community as raciest because of the actions of a few within that community.

Point 2. Do not allow a few 'Haters' with their own agenda, the luxury of turning on small incident into a propaganda coup for their own benefit.

I correctly used 'Hitler' as how a racial vilifier, and he was certainly one of the greatest of all times, operate in molding other less rabid peoples thoughts and actions, the methods the vilifier uses to win people over. nothing wrong with doing that. I didn't say the vilifiers here were Hitler, I just said they operated in the same way, be it on a much smaller scale.
You and Is Mise introduced "Marrickville Council" and when I correctly pointed out Labor was the lead in that, you failed to apologise for Labor's actions. Please name the so called "idiot member of your party (The Greens) who lead the racist rant." Put a name up, I know who exactly you are talking about, you don't, put up the name and I'll shoot you down. The only idiot I know of in Marrickville is your gal Carmel Mary Tebbutt MP, I can put a name to it, the Labor Party had to spend a million bucks to get Tebbutt re-elected. The money was spent deflecting the "Jewish thing" from Labor onto The Greens, and for a million bucks you got Tebbutt back.
Do you want me to list 12 Labor grubs, past and present in NSW, I can do that for you, but then again I'm sure you could do that yourself.
My thought for the day on the NSW Labor Party and its members. "Lay down with dogs and you get fleas."
"I am a long standing member of the KKK but I criticise the filth at every opportunity." LOL.

Paul I do under stand, truly.
That you like your party seek a perfect world.
But just have no idea how to get there.
That like them you want to both decry racism, and stomp on those like me.
Who faced with the reality the world will never be perfect, but wishing it could be so think very differently than you.
My first thought on hearing of this dreadful thing, was the hate the Jewish Race has had heaped on it for century,s.
The European Podgroms the stirring still of hate towards them .
You tell us your wife is of our first Nation, and rightly are proud of her.
Her race too is vilified, by haters and fools.
Can you understand we neverneeded to introduce any other deed of racism.
This comes down to one race , a few of its younger members, using hate and race as an excuse to bash in our streets.
We will not agree here you continue to pretend nice words will fix it.
While I continue to demand we get tough with these and all making war on another race.