Ludwig and others;
Whether you are interested in peak oil or global warming here is an
article for you all.
A couple of interesting figures I gleaned from it;
The price of oil is rising by 14% a year since 2005 yet production is
rising by 0.25% a year. Oil is therefore price inelastic.

The IPCC,s IR2 scenario SRES AR2 is based on oil consumed by the SRES
emission scenarios range up to 325 mb/d (for scenario A1G AIM)
in 2100, with an average maximum of 126 mb/d [Hook et al, 2010.
unquote

http://www.aspo-australia.org.au/References/Bruce/Peak-Oil-and-Energy-Independence-July-2013-EOS.pdf

I looked to see who would be the minister for Energy & Resources
but could not find a name. Also does Labour have a shadow for Energy ?
We really do have a problem with the politicians being deaf dumb & blind on this matter.
From the end of next year we will import 100% of our diesel & petrol.

Bazz,

It is away from the subject of the thread, but I would be more concerned about the claimed 2 weeks reserve of fuel. Not the best situation in case of emergency.

Back to the thread.

Leave the forum for 5 minutes and like ants at a picnic the conserves get in posting their pesky drivel.i shall deal with them in order.
Runner has completely debunked the global warming argument with "Canberra had its coldest winter morning for October recorded a few days ago." Considering all the hot air that been blowing around Canberra since Abbott got elected in September I find that amazing.
Is Mise, I too watch this History Channel, Nero was just misunderstood, your kind of guy. You did say at the end "But he did make political capital out of the disaster by blaming the Christians you could have added; AND FED THEM TO THE LIONS." Doesn't Abbott profess to being a so called christian, if Nero was around today he could be very useful.
Indi, Joh Bjelke Petersen, now there is a blast from the past. Probably the most corrupt politician Queensland has ever seen, and they have seen some beauties. Joh's side kick Russ Hinze wasn't bad at the corruption caper as well along with a swag of Nationals both in and out of the government at the time. old Joh played the buffoon all awhile masking the sinister undercurrent of corruption within his government. Fortunately the old codger is now dead never to be seen or heard from again, we hope, although Barney Joyce does a rather good impersonation of Old Joh, don't you think?
"it must be dreadful to realise you have been sold a pup, backed the wrong horse, been totally conned, & arguing a faulty argument for some years.
I don't know Hasbeen I can't get inside your head on that one, and as for;
"It must be hard to not only realise, but actually admit you've been a fool." No its been easy for you, just by reading the constant clap trap you post gives you away, you prove that line time and time again, you should realise it by now.

No way you can convince a rock it is wrong Paul.
Love humor so why not just laugh your way around the ideas put here.
Climate change, read hasbeen, is a proven lie!
Indy and runner use the wet rock on a string thing along with a blindness to world wide effort to get the climate put before profits.
Laughter is fun.
Brant both causes worse firers and wants to use his efforts to flog all others, every village deserves its idiot.

Not really off thread Beachy agw is what the thread is about and the
article shows the connection between the two.

<<Like Nero...>>

Quite apt that you bring Nero into the discussion, Paul1405.

Nero (or, at least the Hollywood version of him) would have made a great Green.

He was all for huge spendings of public monies on multicultural shows and circuses.

He would have fitted in well with the Green platform.

Actually, I kinda envisage most high level Green meetings --not the low level stuff the plebs are allowed into --but where the real policy formulation occurs would (Nero like) feature Bob, Christine, Adam and Sarah Hanson sloughing on their chaise longues in their togas sloshing tankards of wine.