Yeah, it's a great strategy for keeping your party in Opposition.

By electing Shortarse, they guaranteed a considerably longer stint in opposition!

No one should have to keep quiet if they feel that things need to be said. After they are out of the rat-race, and what they have to say won’t affect their future too much, then that is the time to say it.

And let’s face it; what Roxon said is by all accounts pretty damn close to the truth.

It is relevant that Nicola Roxon is an ex-senior minister and a previous federal Attorney-General at that.

If (say) you had chaired the selection committee that had chosen Ms Roxon above all others for that position you would be putting that file in the safe and keeping a low profile, wouldn't you?

I'm afraid its just more of the same from this incompetent (now opposition) party.

Bill is caught between a rock and a hard place, as on the one hand Rudd is clearly hated, while on the other hand he would still be leader if the people were to have the choice, because had he been in the race, Bill and Albo would have been fighting over the crumbs because Ruddy would have won hands down.

But hey, why would the labor party care about what their members want.

It is a vein of hatred between factions that runs deep. It isn't just about Rudd.

Emily's List seems to add another dimension to the argy bargy, wheeling and dealing and of course, the usual hatred that in Labor and the unions seems to endure for decades past the grave.

An aspect of the comments about Rudd being very difficult to work with and his alleged disgusting treatment of staff which I find interesting.

After apparently removing Rudd from the top job because of his alleged erratic management style and being difficult to work with it was apparently acceptable to give him an important portfolio where yet more workers were presumably left to deal with all of those alleged faults.

Those who overthrew Rudd apparently thought it OK to foist him on others just as long as they didn't have to deal with much of it themselves.

R0bert