Shaggy Dog,

It is always pleasant to encounter dry wit and I thank you for it.

You are right of course.

I have to say that I find it laughable that these Labor members thought it a great idea "twice" to take advantage of Rudd's popularity in the electorate and to make use of him to "lead" them in elections.

If these people regarded him as such a bastard, why did they put themselves up for election under him and, by definition, support his leadership?

I have a problem with pollies abusing past leaders, only after they're employed them as attractive fodder for votes.

And that's beside the once again ridiculous situation of Labor fighting internally in front of the cameras.

Yes, yes, hypocrisy is the glue that holds politics together, whether it be Gillard delivering her misogyny speech on the same day as legislation was passed to a pauperize single parents - most of whom are women - or whether it's sour grapes from the post-election wings.

it is obvious Labour has learn't nothing. They are still blaming personalities for their loss instead of lies and incompetance. Still they are trying to 'sell 'their story as if promising billions on education and disabilities knowing that they had deliverted on no other promises in 5 years is a good legacy.

Poirot I mostly agree with the points you made.

Overall I'd have had a lot more respect for Roxon's comments if they had been made while the party didn't need Rudds vote to hold office.

I've not seen any reason to doubt the truth of what I've heard of Roxon's comments but I suspect Labor might have saved themselves a lot of grief if they had been upfront about that stuff when Rudd was sacked as PM rather than leaving it to whisper campaigns and letting Rudd carry on with the alleged destabilisatiin campaign.

At the same time parts of it are not all that different to the Libs not going public about their concerns with Slipper until he had swapped his loyalties although I have the impression that they had started moves to have him kicked out of the party or disendorsed (not certain of that) before that change occurred and while there was a chance they might still need his vote.

R0bert

I agree with OUG in that politicians are politicians, whether they are male or female.
Roxon's rant has nothing to do with her gender and everything to do with the sour grapes that persist in the Labor party.

The sourest grape was undoubtedly Rudd, with his thunderous face and petty remarks after his party threw him out in favour of Gillard.
She never had a chance with him in the background.
She has shown more dignity with her retreat from the top job than Rudd could ever dream of.

Labor had better watch out that the backstabbing doesn't continue, with people like Rudd and Roxon still whinging from the sidelines.
I think they should have sacked the lot of them and started again!

Everyone has the right to express their opinions. If Roxon feels that way about Rudd, she has every right to say it.