As we near the opening of the new Parliament many are hoping for both houses to be dissolved and a new election called.
But will it take place, if so when.
I have no idea how such an election before the new Senate sits mid next year handles those newly elected but not yet sitting.
Can some one tell if they know an election of both houses called by the government before that date what takes place.
Is new Senate considered dissolved too?
First many want such an election to try to get that senate made less confrontational, I am one of those.
But even by Christmas the polls will, and are saying Abbott will get less votes but retain a reduced government if he calls one.
I think we may have to wait for that new Senate mid next year and the likely hood it will let Abbott pass legislation ,before he thinks about such an election

Belly,

I'm inclined to think that it's nothing more than bravado and blather.

Although I'd love them to call a DD.....but I don't think they are quite so stupid.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-primed-for-a-double-dissolution-on-carbon-pricing-20131015-2vkvj.html

"Tony Abbott will have the first half of a constitutional trigger for a double-dissolution election in place by Christmas, after announcing plans to present his carbon price repeal legislation this year.

The move keeps open the chances of another election in the first half of 2014 if the eight-bill package is rejected in December as expected and then rejected a second time by a hostile Senate in March or April."

Still, stranger things have happened.

The joker inanely employs the word "Repent" over the carbon tax.

Let's hope his jalopy of overconfidence leads him straight over the electoral cliff.

so lovely to finally see a competent Government. I can feel the temperature rising already with the carbon tax going. Fancy having a Government doing what it promised to do. How refreshing.

runner,

But the carbon tax isn't "going".

That's why Abbot and Co are blustering about a DD.

They've got some work to do if they want to get rid of it.

You might like to keep in mind that a mere 200,000 votes in the right place delivered this govt victory..

And a fair few have altered their opinion since then.

If I was you, I'd be hoping Abbott's bravado doesn't translate into reality.

I doubt Abbott would call a DD because.
1) He did not win by a massive majority
2) With the hiding of boat numbers a lot of people don't trust him and what else will he be hiding.
3) The latest distrust regarding the claims for travel etc.

The only advantages to a DD are the Labor leadership confusion and labor it is said has used most of there money so won't have much to fight a new campaign

Runner, your easily pleased, which policy do you like the most, Spend the taxpayers dosh on your own fun, borrow like there's no tomorrow, or hide the boats I'm sure Abbott will have a stack of these "good" policies coming our way, shortly. Like you I'm so please Abbott and his cronies are running the show, but for different reasons to you. That manly front bench of Abbott's just inspires me with confidence. I particularly like the 3 stooges Moe Hockey, Larry Payne and Curly Morrison, good to see one woman in the kitchen cabinet the next phylis Diller, what's her name. As I said on here before the election I wanted Abbott to win "Australia needs 3 years of Abbottism" will do us the world of good.

Paul,

That's an impressive list.

Shall we add these to it?

http://www.carersnt.asn.au/abbott-government-dumps-disabilitycare-roll-out

"Abbott Government Dumps Disabilitycare Roll Out

The future of DisabilityCare Australia for thousands of people has been thrown into doubt with the Abbott Government walking away from Federal Labor’s plans for the full roll out of the scheme.

During the election campaign Federal Labor announced its priorities for the next roll out of the national disability insurance scheme from July 2016.

The Assistant Minister for Social Services, Mitch Fifield, has confirmed he has dumped those plans and has no idea about where DisabilityCare will be rolled out next:"

Or perhaps this:

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/business/a/-/business/19408705/libs-to-clear-23b-hecs-debt/

"The university education debt of millions of Australians could be sold off under a proposal to be examined by Prime Minister Tony Abbott's inquiry into the state of the nation's finances.

In a move that could boost the Budget bottom line, up to $23 billion of outstanding Higher Education Contribution Scheme debt would be effectively privatised under a plan that has already won support in some financial circles."

"One proposal that has backing in the financial sector is to convert the $22.6 billion in HECS debt held by 1.6 million Australians into a financial product. In a process called securitisation, the responsibility for HECS debts would be bought by the private sector and then sold to investors."

Oh goody....wasn't packaging debt and treating it like a financial product the initial impetus for the GFC?

Actually it is a pity the strange lottery that was the senate preference deals in this last election, turned out so favorable to the coalition.

I think the coming senate looks pretty good for giving the ratbag element a black eye. With this elections demonstration of just how unpredictable the result of another senate election could be, Tony may hold his horses.

This is a pity, as after the three ring circus the Labor leadership proved to be, they would be likely to lose a few more senate seats, & the Greens, no longer flavor of the month, would be unlikely to pick up any.

However no one could predict where the other seats would go, hell Palmer could even pick up more.

Hopefully Labor, who must know climate change is a crock of the smelly stuff will come to it's senses, blame it all on their last 2 ratbag leaders, & vote sensibly to rescind the carbon tax.

Paul 1405 this is no taunt but a totally and truly held thought.
Runner is the type of Christian who first placed doubts about God in my then committed mind.
I bet he has driven many away from God.
This issue is complex.
Lets be honest both sides want such an election.
But when would it work for the only man who can call one.
3 months and two attempts to pass a bill are needed.
Then Abbott will be able to call one.
Consider the refreshing truth in another post, he may be on a hiding to nothing.
Still unsure if he went in January or February what would become of newly elected Senators?
So if Abbott is looking for one he can pile on the bills he needs then wait.
July next year he gets the new senate, and may get his bills past them.
No need then exists for such an election.
But, clearly 80% of Australians would want one, to return the Senate to mainstream party,s.
Abbott has bright blokes advising him, Rupert Murdock for one bright but evil too.
He could aim at a third year in office DD election,demanding Senate electoral changes in a referendum as part of that election.
That could work.

, Runner is the type of Christian who first placed doubts about God in my then committed mind.

sorry Belly you only have yourself to blame for denying the obvious. You seem to remain rusted on to the unions despite the charlotens their. As usual you apply no logic.

Talking about logic?

Here's something out of Mr Abbott's mouth:

"...the last thing a Prime Minister does is give
instructions to the Senate,
they do things their own way and I don't think
anything about the Senate is going to change
any time soon."

So what's all this talk about a DD?

Folks,
There will be a double dissolution only if Abbott doesn't get his own way in the Parliament.
He believes that given the numbers he has the right to govern in whatever way suits his policies. I happen to agree.
The LNP is the dominant force in Australian politics at the moment, most local governments, most state parliament and in the federal sphere.
They will use their power of numbers to get action wherever and whenever they feel the need.
Look at Queensland at the moment. They have stripped the judges and magistrates of the power to deal with serial sex offenders. The civil libertarians hate it but the people love it. They are going to0 allow more casinos for tourist development. They have set up the platform for the ridding the state of "Bikies" and their criminal activities. They are going top allow uranium mining and much more coal and gas mining. They have stripped anonymity from juvenile criminals and allowed naming and shaming of offenders. There are many areas of restrictive legislation that they are going to throw out the door so that people who want to work and earn a living can.
Social welfare will be scaled back so that only those who need it get it and unemployment benefits will only be available to those who really are seeking to work.
Watch the Abbott space for more developments.

Id'd be interesting to hear what Abbott thinks of all of you thinking you know what he is thinking. I mean some of you claim to know what he thinks before he even thinks about it. Talk about fuitloops.

Would I look forward to a DD? Maybe. If I was Abbott, I'd be a bit careful about doing that, with the Wedding/Travel etc, rorts, a new election just might go breaking bad.

Judging by the popularity of Minor Parties in the last election, & their popularity especially in the Senate. I'd be a bit worried If I was him. Especially if the Senate ended up with more Minor Party representatives.

What he will have to do is think long & hard about what & how the LNP & the ALP presents to the Parliament. They may have to take into account what the "People" want instead of what the Party wants & that would hurt their egos.

Jayb,
This is the Abbott think;
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-primed-for-a-double-dissolution-on-carbon-pricing-20131015-2vkvj.html
Do you really think these blokes give a crap about travel rorts (as you call them) they see it as their right and I believe they don't get paid enough anyway.
Do you really think they care about the minor parties. They are nothing more than a hiccup in the system and a DD will wipe them from the board.
For the first time since Menzies the people are starting to see governing from the front and with purpose. Discipline, loyalty and purpose.
A Double Dissolution will see the LNP sweep to power in upper and lower house, the complete demise of the Greens and the Katter party and only the 'Big Fella' left who will quickly change sides when he see the writing on the wall.
The rot started with Whitlem and the country has bleed right through till now when the LNP said enough.
I wouldn't be surprised to see National Service return and a federal take over of TAFE incorporated into a national technical authority to pump out the 'tradies' we need.
What a great idea to privatize the HECS scheme by selling the debt and making the uncorrectable collectable through private civil action.
Listing the Post Office on the stock exchange will bring in billions of dollars.
I think the might even raise the GST to %15 to clear the national dept and feed the states need for infrastructure.
I even hear questions being asked about why the Superannuation industry is looking to lend your money into foreign markets (risky business) many MP see it better in bricks and mortar here in Australia in low cost housing etc.
Face reality people. The nanny state is about to disappear and in its place the hard nosed business driven reality of democratic capitalism.
Labor will be lucky to see the inside of government for another thirty years, if ever.

Chris gaff do you want to bet on that?
Runner sorry you fail to impress me.
We all should understand at some point in time the Senate will be the focus of both party,s.
Show me a true Labor member who wants any deal with the greens.
Show me the same Liberals wanting their flea PUP.
Fact is they both feed of the side of politics they inhabit.
And both *make shameless promises they understand they can never deliver*
So bet on Abbott both before next mid year Senate roll over and after put the needed bills for DD in place.
Let us all however, leave our personal bias and dislike of one side in the bucket at the door.
IF 3 to 6 months before the next election was due Abbott pulled on a DD election, and if he had legislation to hold a referendum on changing the way the Senate is elected?
I believe both sides and most voters want no more upper house blackmail by the increasing numbers of part time politicians.

I think just a few days after the thread started it is unlikely such an election will be called in this term.
While both sides may want one, and voters would like an end to the funny farm Senate it is not on.
A reason has been given by another above.
And even before the house sits some, not all, not election loss, but substantial loss of faith in Abbott,s team is clear.

Belly,
You may not like it but Abbott goes from one high point to another completely disregarding anything the Labor Party has to say or do.
He is showing leadership through dogged resolution and don't get in his way because you will be crushed under the economic bulldozer.

CG1000 that was meant to be humerus was it?
Abbott won his election he is a nAussie type of bloke and willing to remind us constantly.
IF you understand politics you will as I have, forget the thought his policy's, indeed Labors policy's played much of a role in his victory.
Read it again mate, if you are right and me wrong, use it against me.
Labor like well rotted fruit fell because it was, lets be honest, on the nose.
Abbott is on a hiding to nothing, saying quite wrongly he has a mandate for things even his side shudder at.
Shorten, is going to places Abbott once held as his own.
Abbott by mid next year will be as popular as a dead fox in your bed.
Saturday in NSW the state that both warned of Labors fate and fell first a by election takes place.
In a Liberal held seat, 19 percent is the margin you hold it by.
Current polling has it 54 percent to 46 LABOR!
And this thread was started to review a Liberal threat, fast becoming a promise to Labor the DD election Abbott will not be brave enough to call.

Belly,
This is the stuff of leadership. Read it and understand that he really cares. I only hope he gets the army involved and the mass of unemployed dole bludgers as well.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/18/nsw-bushfires-tony-abbott-says-canberra-will-pay-half-cost-of-rebuilding

Chris,

That's not an Abbott.

This is an Abbott.

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/trustme-tonys-silence-on-expenses-is-curious-20131017-2vpjm.html

"When Tony Abbott wasn't casting the election as a referendum on the carbon tax or border security, he was framing it as a referendum on trust.

Restoring trust in government, voters were assured, was the bare minimum Australians were owed after the multiple breaches of the Rudd/Gillard period.

Measured against this imperative, the Prime Minister's studied silence on the ongoing expenses scandal ensnaring some of his own MPs is curious.

It is jarring to see how quickly the public's reasonable expectation of probity in its political representatives has been superseded by the reflex to secrecy and self-protection in the new political class."

Belly, "Shorten, is going to places Abbott once held as his own."

Then he must be going several directions at once. Because Bill Shorten caved in and did not criticise serial whiner Adam Bandt's political cynicism in trying to make mileage out of the NSW bushfires.

Shorten needs to show clean air between Labor and the Greens. The Greens have a long track record for making mileage out of people's suffering. It is a wonder some of the Greens leaders were not discussed in Chris Golis's interesting article "How common are corporate psychopaths in politics?" See here,

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15585

The Greens do manage to fly under the radar. That is probably because they are on the way out. However, Bill Shorten could easily make the mistake of lending them much needed oxygen, instead of declaring flatly that he doesn't agree with them and forcing them to try to hitch a free ride on someone else's back.

Every word here is my true thoughts, I actually find both my vocal opponents quite fun,and quite wrong.
That gobbled dee gook from OTB is great! to think Bill Shorten in this mans view can be held to account for Brants actions is a grin.
The Parliament sits first next month.
Abbott/Murdock team can put its bills forward , if wanting a DD hope they do not pass.
3 Months must pass then he puts the bills again.
Then armed with the right to call a DD election he can.
But how will his vote go?
Before Shorten took over Labor had increased its election day vote by 3%
Has the trickery behind refugees lost any more.
Are some concerned about the threat to the NDIS?
Is the threat to so many other things Abbott has said after election will go a help or hinder to his over all vote.
Why would little Tony risk it?
If he waits till mid next year he may just may, pass bills with the incoming Senate of fools and promise makers.
Will he then take the risk?
After spending so much will Rupert Murdock his Master let him?
Tony Abbott by his instance on not telling us what is taking place has taken a leaf out of the book that ran the KGB.

Poirot,
Abbott is silent because the issue is so petty that it doesn't deserve more than a passing glance.
Does anyone really care what politicians spend tripping around the country.
For it to be an issue there has to be a direct attempt to fraudulently claim a benefit with the deliberate aim of depriving the Commonwealth of value for a purpose not proscribed in the regulations.
The mere fact that these politicians write up a precis of their trip logistics and lodge it with the parliament indicates that there is no premeditation and no predisposition to commit a crime.
Do you really think the PM is going to stop running the country to answer ridiculous politically motivated questions about some pollies spending habits.
I believe, and so does he, that the PM has better things to do.

onthebeach,
Bill "Shortone" is the best thing that could have happened to the LNP.
He is a weak soft-soap supporter of forgotten causes and strange sexes.
The man is nothing more that a union front and the people of this country, who actually earn the wealth, are fully aware of the danger he poses to economic capital reform.
He will last six months and the next climber will mount the beanstalk.

Belly'
You are beginning to sound like a man possessed. Listen to yourself.
Abbott/Murdock a team?

Labor increased its election day vote by 3%. By whos count?

"trickery behind refugees" There are no tricks. It's not magic. It is all fact and truth.

What "threat to the NDIS?" The NDIS will be built. Just a bit less expensive and a lot more efficient.

"the threat to so many other things" this is abject paranoia Belly.
There is no threat only statements of fact according to LNP policy.

"Rupert Murdock his Master"? Not likely.
Next you will be saying Abbott dances to the tune of the Illuminati or the world Bank or perhaps The Bank of Zion.

"taken a leaf out of the book that ran the KGB"
Belly you cannot be a right wing capitalist and a Member of the left wing Communist KBG at the same time.

Unless you were on the Labor side of politics that is.

Sorry Belly but I fear you are letting your paranoid psychosis dictate your verbal responsiveness.

what's this noithing dips#it?

It just goes to show, with the ALP & the NLP, neither of them are any good. It's time to get rid of this pair of Wan#er Parties. Bring on a DD.

don't worry you will get your DD

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/labor-regains-southern-sydney-seat-of-miranda-20131019-2vu0x.html
In the birth place of the HSU scandal.
In the home of the NSW FILTH involved in the biggest fraud in Parliament since the Rum corps.
In the first term of a Government that, rightly so, painful but truth, gave NSW Labor its biggest ever flogging.
A 27% swing took a seat back.
One poster constantly needing to swear to gain attention.
Another drifting in to a unreality that will never exist, seem unaware this country is basically Liberal or Labor.
And that a DOUBLE DISSOLUTION ELECTION is called ONLY IF the government thinks it can benefit from one!
Abbott has a long wait for that day.
And no mug he knows waiting until next year may see him not need one.
Or place him, because of a broken voteing system in the Senate in a better position for one.

Chris,

"Belly,
This is the stuff of leadership. Read it and understand that he really cares. I only hope he gets the army involved and the mass of unemployed dole bludgers as well.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/18/nsw-bushfires-tony-abbott-says-canberra-will-pay-half-cost-of-rebuilding"

Ahem.....

"....Read it and understand that he really cares...."

http://www.smh.com.au/national/government-limiting-recovery-funds-heartless-20131020-2vv36.html

"The Abbott government has tightened the eligibility requirements for bushfire victims to receive recovery funds in a move that Labor has described as ''heartless'' and ''an absolute nonsense''.

People who have been cut off from their homes or who have no electricity have not been deemed eligible in the first round of disaster payments determined by Justice Minister Michael Keenan."

"''Mr Keenan has heartlessly removed assistance for people who have been cut off from their homes for more than 24 hours, or been without water or electricity for 48 hours,'' Mr Dreyfus said.

''Now is not the time for the government to be reducing assistance for NSW residents who need it most.'"

Poirot,
Didn't you read this bit?

A spokeswoman for Mr Keenan said the government had set up the payment so that it would reach those most in need, most quickly. She explained the bushfire situation was still unfolding and that as it became clearer, the payment might be extended to other categories.

''First and foremost we have to release payments to people who need it immediately,'' she said.

Do you really believe these people who live in these fire prone expensive retreat zones do not have bank accounts, financial resources or family elsewhere.
Next you will expect the public to pick up their rebuilding costs because the insurance costs were too high.
They choose, and can afford, to live in tree and bush surrounds whilst others live in abject poverty, in the same country.
Fair go mate.
Just like insurance mate where you live us a gamble and if you lose don't expect the taxpayer to pick up the tab unless there is a real and genuine need rather than a self inflicted wound.
We all feel sorry for real need but wait till the government checks out the facts first.

Chris Gaff 1000 you both support the victims then blame them.
In the Brant thread most agree using this tragic number of events, far from over, to gain political points is as weak as you can get.
No grass castles these houses, just new homes owned by folk like you or me, probably struggling to pay for them.
The failure if any is the failure to understand *building your home among the Gum trees is stupid blindness*
We can if we wish continue to turn the threads head away from its path.
Even look more deeply at what local councils/state governments/and a host of idiotic fools who will not let winter cold burns take place, can do to reduce the impacts of future fires.
I chose to end what now looks dead the threads wanted directions.
I propose both sides of the house are subjected to a public demand to change the voting system in the Senate.
In doing so we can change the infestation of that house by unwanted drop kicks, and see the will of the most over rules the few.

Belly: we can change the infestation of that house by unwanted drop kicks, and see the will of the most over rules the few.

By unwanted drop kicks, do you mean NLP or ALP Members?

I believe that a fully independent Senate (even, as you say, with drop kicks) would lead to better Governance. The two Major Parties would be forced to frame their new Laws & Policies in a fairer light. I'd ban the Greens though.

Chris,

"Didn't you read this bit?
A spokeswoman for Mr Keenan said the government had set up the payment so that it would reach those most in need, most quickly. She explained the bushfire situation was still unfolding and that as it became clearer, the payment might be extended to other categories.

''First and foremost we have to release payments to people who need it immediately,'' she said."

Well, how would you expect a govt of this calibre to spin it.?

But I'm more interested in your change of tune.

One minute you're saying:

"This is the stuff of leadership. Read it and understand that he really cares..."

Linking to an article which headlines:

"NSW bushfires: Tony Abbott says Canberra will pay half cost of rebuilding

Prime minister pays tribute to 'ordinary people who, on an extraordinary day, come together to support their community"

And the next, you you're saying:

"Do you really believe these people who live in these fire prone expensive retreat zones do not have bank accounts, financial resources or family elsewhere.
Next you will expect the public to pick up their rebuilding costs because the insurance costs were too high.
They choose, and can afford, to live in tree and bush surrounds whilst others live in abject poverty, in the same country."

So for the benefit of plugging the govt's altruism, you highlight their "generosity" to fire victims who are just ordinary people devastated by bushfire....but when the govt's generosity is shown to be less than it's cracked up to be you turn on those who have lost their homes as elites who shouldn't expect too much help.

Okay.....

Poirot,
Abbots taxpayer money will go to those who really need it not those who say they need it.
If you can afford to live the lifestyle of the leafy bush setting you can afford the necessary insurance.
I feel for them in their loss but it is not my problem if they are not insured.
I know what they are going through.
I was a Bushfire captain of Headquarters brigade in the days when we were called the "Bushfire Brigade"
I had brigades members that would turn up in bare feet to fight fires.
I have had my sons fighting fires in R.A.F.T teams (Remote Area Fire Teams)hundreds of miles away from their homes and their mothers and I have had one whole truck team perish on the Southern Highlands.
I know what they go through but I have also seen the likes of P Garrot start fires (accidentally) and expect others to fight them for him and then expect government handouts "to tide them over"
Public payout needs to be targeted and policed.

Jayb I find your suggestion interesting and unrealistic.
Tell me did you support the greens propping up the ALP government.
Did you like the lower house being in the hands of independents.
Can you tell me this, are you aware of the deals that have to be part of any agreement between a government and the minor party,s if those party,s have the balance of power.
What if we, like so many country,s bought about bargaining between differing side to form governments?
Say extremes from both sides to get any thing past the upper house.
Last, probably not important to you, but a basic requirement for those who voted for both sides, why give major power to minor party,s ever.
Rest assured jayb most by a big margin do not share that view of yours, and never will.
[it should be noted others have made claim jayb is a member of an extremist group]
Too that some have reason to want to harm our democratic system.

I think all of us can benefit by reading both my post and jayb, see we see often, requests for more small party representation in our government.
I think I am on solid ground saying most do not agree.
My first reaction having forgotten claims if jayb very radical links, was does he know just how much his wish would threaten good government.
Then it came back from an extremist group that out come, less secure government, is a wanted out come.
The thread never quite made it.
I thought we would see both sides look more deeply at the implications of next 12 months and a senate that most, in my view, would think is worse for small party,s like the mad hatters motorist party millions of our dollars and wages of $200.000 a year to? be a pain in the bottom and challenge the very basic of democracys, do the bidding of the most.

Belly, I see what you are saying. I see it differently, most people, & I appear to be backed up by a number of reports I seen recently, are totally pi$$ed off with the two Major Parties self-interest. Hence the interest in Minor Parties.

I don't support or am I a member of any party. Do I have some ideas I would like to see come to fruition. Yes I do, but so does everybody else. I exclaim mine, others do not & keep them under their hat. As they say, "& good men do nothing." I throw Ideas out for discussion with the hope that someone will see that maybe some of them are worthwhile.

Why is there such an interest in Minor Parties? Are people disillusioned with the Two Major Parties? Is the rise of Minor Parties proof of this disillusionment? Is there, "something rotten in Denmark"?

I am not a radical, "Left, Right & the one in the Middle". Unless you call a radical someone who says out loud what, it seems, Belly, I see what you are saying. I see it differently, most people, & I appear to be backed up by a number of reports I seen recently, are totally pi$$ed off with the two Major Parties self-interest. Hence the interest in Minor Parties.

I don't support or am I a member of any party. Do I have some ideas I would like to see come to fruition. Yes I do, but so does everybody else. I exclaim mine, others do not & keep them under their hat. As they say, "& good men do nothing." I through Ideas out for discussion with the hope that someone will see that maybe some of them are worthwhile.

Why is there such an interest in Minor Parties? Are people disillusioned with the Two Major Parties? Is the rise of Minor Parties proof of this disillusionment? Is there, "something rotten in Denmark"?

cont,
I am not a radical. Unless you call a radical someone who says out loud what, it seems, the majority of people are thinking. And they don't care what Major Party faithful think of them. I guess one is not supposed to do that. One is to be lead by the nose to the slaughter house. A bit like Religion really, isn't it. If you don't go along with the particular Dogma then you're, "DOOMED, DOOMED," I say.

Both Major parties have good & bad Policies. The trouble is when either Party won't allow the other Party to pass a Policy because it would gain them extra kudos & they would miss out in the next Election. So, the object of both Major Parties is obstructional. A great way to run a Government, do you agree?

Hey, hey...

Hockey's lifting the debt limit to $500 billion.

It is currently $300 billion - and was forecast under Labor to peak at $370 billion, then fall.

So if any of you chappies were or are expecting the Coalition to "fix the debt" in a hurry...it looks like Eleventy Joe is planning on carrying a lot more.

I notice during his brief press conference that he said:

"The credit rating is what matters."

Well, arf, arf, arf....after all the bellowing about a "budget emergency" (which is still missing) - and having it highlighted time and time again that Australia's credit rating was rated by all the major agencies as AAA - now he's in govt and raising debt ceilings, it's all about the credit ratting.

What a disingenuous lying bozo.

Jayb lets for a time pretend your unmasking in a long ago post as an extremist did not take place.
Let us too not hide the rotting horrible stuff hiding in both party,s.
To say that is not true would be to lie.
For the present the ALP has more maggots than Liberals, for now.
If I took you to almost any ALP monthly meeting, and started to talk about the HSU and NSW FILTH, would it shock you to find over 90% of my party share my hate for them.
Have you watched the history of elections in Italy? Greece? France?
Did you note the repeated need to hold new elections, are you aware of the number of leaders those country,s and the number of party,s supporting them post world war two?
Blame Australian Voters for our over supply of mugs in all houses.
We as is the case for our brand of football, once selecting a team no longer see their faults, we breed and cuddle NSW FILTH my party rather than let its members cross the floor protected the rotten group that have us on our knees now.
A vote can be thrown away on say the Social left of humanity party or Liberals cattle dog Nationals.
Or it can be used to put only one of the two we both know, in power.

Came back to read jayb two posts again.
Glad I did thanks Poirot.
I have both 6 months before the election and after it, considered Labor paid for its actions not its policy's.
Bill Shorten is the man I have said he is and mounting signs show Abbott would need to take a risk to call A DD election.
He will bluff but not truly consider one pre mid next year.
No one knew or bothered to tell us, what happens to the new Senators should a DD be called before they sit.
Jayb I rather think the continuing voting intentions will isolate small party,s.
And warn we must watch for a chance to target the Senate in a DD election towards the end of Abbott.s first term, forget r the dreamers thought that every small party will win Senate seat if one is called.
Line Labor or Liberal will be drawn by then.

More evidence of the deceitful duds all the righties here were expecting to "tackle the debt"

(May 10,2012)
"But an appropriations bill, introduced on Tuesday night after the budget, would increase the nation's credit limit from $250 billion to $300 billion.

The opposition seized on this yesterday as its main attack on the budget. Opposition Leader Tony Abbott called it ''really extraordinary'', saying it ''gives the lie to Wayne Swan's talk about a surplus''.

Shadow treasurer Joe Hockey asked why the Commonwealth needed to raise its credit card limit."

http://www.smh.com.au/business/government-bond-issues-to-plummet-20120509-1yd18.html

Well, now he knows, doesn't he.

"The credit rating is what matters."

Hypocrites

Belly: Jayb lets for a time pretend your unmasking in a long ago post as an extremist did not take place.

I forget, remind me. Was it about Politics, Muslims, Climate Change or all of the above?

Belly: I rather think the continuing voting intentions will isolate small party,s.

In the lower house but not in the Senate, I think. Don't know.

Belly: Let us too not hide the rotting horrible stuff hiding in both party,s.

That exactly right. Both parties are equally at fault here.

Belly: We as is the case for our brand of football, once selecting a team no longer see their faults.

Yes I've seen this a lot. "My Dad voted Liberal/National/Labor, it was good enough for him, it's good enough for me." There is no need to think/investigate or look past the team. Everything they do is good , everything the other team does is bad. End of story. Do you see it that way? My Son-in-Law is an rabid Collingwood supporter. A mere mention of any other team puts murder in his eyes. I guess it's the same with Political parties. They don't know why, it just is.

Belly: I find your suggestion interesting and unrealistic.

I understand that they are unrealistic, it's just a wish it could be.

Belly: Tell me did you support the Greens propping up the ALP government.

I don't support the Greens in any fashion at all. It's because they have pushed their Policies that there are out of control Bushfires destroying property & killing people. I consider them to be in the same room as murderers.

Belly: Did you like the lower house being in the hands of independents.

Unfortunately there were too many Greens & not enough Independents.

Poirot: Hockey's lifting the debt limit to $500 billion.

So? They gotta pay for the Wedding expenses, etc, somehow. :-)