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Once again, Boaz, you miss the point.

>>I consider such a suggestion "evil pedarist" simply collateral damage to my own sense of mission<<

This is not about your personal sense of martyrdom, Boaz, it is about the way in which you misuse this forum for your own personal anti-Islam campaign.

You characterize "evil missionary pederast?" as a personal attack, when it was clearly pointing out your sneaky, underhand use of the question mark when making an allegation, then pretending that it was the most important part of the quote.

>>My reluctance to 'apologise' is based on the feeding frenzy it later creates with certain posters who take relish and delight in making a list of apologies simply to destroy my credibility<<

Sorry, Boaz, but it is far too late to be concerned about your credibility.

>>You 'trot out' your 'we all have moral values' claims... That claim alone is so easily subjected to some basic reasoning and analysis that it falls apart at the first glance<<

Boaz, we all have moral values.

Even pederast priests have them, which is what stops them from murdering their victims. Adolf Hitler had them, which was why he was a vegetarian - one of his moral values was that he did not believe in killing animals for food. The vast majority of the human race have values that prevent them from robbing little old ladies.

>>so, clearly, on the grounds of the simplest of reasoning and logic, those values could turn out to be 'any' thing<<

Not so. For exactly the same reasons you give - that we "inherit from our cultural forebears, who in turn were influenced by various forces, such as faith, fear of spirits, education, philosophy", we adopt the cultural and moral norms that allow us to live peaceably and harmlessly with our fellow man.

That isn't "'any' thing".

It is a way of life, one that people live by, and be as blameless as you believe yourself to be. Only without a single God in sight.
Posted by Pericles, Saturday, 12 May 2007 6:03:06 PM
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The most insulting part of the accusation that non-Christians "make it up as they go" is that it automatically leads to evil.

Boaz makes the case as follows

>>So, it is easily demonstrable that... 'faithless' life leads to nihilism is also a fundamental step of common logic.
1/ If there are no enduring, absolute truths/values then....
2/ Everything in life gains the meaning we decide to attribute to it.
Conclusion, there is nothing true other than the truth we give it, hence there is nothing to 'believe in' as unchanging truth<<

There is nothing logical about this at all, Boaz, however many times you claim it.

For a start, it is possible to accept the statement "Everything in life gains the meaning we decide to attribute to it", without accepting that the only way to reach this is via "no enduring, absolute truths/values".

For example, you have "decided to attribute" meaning in life to the presence of an almighty power. But you would hardly accept that the only way to reach this conclusion is via "no enduring, absolute truths/values"

Would you?

It is the same with most of humanity. We all have "enduring, absolute truths/values." The fact that they are not religiously inspired does not mean they do not exist.

You mentioned earlier

>>The only 2 possible approaches to life are:

1/ Make_it_up_as_you_go. (Nihilism, NAMBLA and Neurosis)
2/ Life has meaning due to a Creator. (Love, Joy, Peace)<<

This is the bit that is insulting.

Not only isn't there the faintest relationship between these two "possibilities", they are also internally inconsistent.

"Make it up as you go" might result in a moral position that not only accepts as blameless an approach to life as you appear to represent, Boaz, but might also incorporate tolerance to Islam. Now wouldn't that be something worth "making up as you go".

And finally, life has meaning with or without belief in a Creator.

Trust me on this.
Posted by Pericles, Saturday, 12 May 2007 6:34:11 PM
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