I joined the NSW Public Service in 1977. I was then a Clerical Assistant and gained a promotion to a position of Clerk. I am still employed in the NSW Public Sector. At no time in this period have I been aware of male or female pay rates within the Awards I have been paid under.
With the many discussions on the Pay Equity cases, I am not aware of which Industrial Awards in both NSW and Australia have male and female rates of pay.
Can you please advise where I can find a website which shows the male and female rates – if they exist – in various Awards.
Many thanks,

could the under paying
be linked to..the free maternal...PAID leave ..thing only woman need..and only..*our public servants and elites got/..had..*before ?

then/when labor..gave it to all*..[panic]

tony..had to go..*one better..
KNQWING his party..[or the greens[..will reject it.,.

KNOWING..via his dna..
it will in the end fail

next the poor will.YET AGAIN..get shafted..in the end..
when that gifted toall..too goes..under the literal liberal..spin

bibbie
if belly was here..he would know
but the old unionist..is out*..trying to save his beloved union/party

he would say equal work=equal pay!

but equal conditions?
do public service..even..have unions?
if you dont or do..ring the trade..union..they are there..for you

belly should be back..sunday morning
maybe only briefly..as he goes back to count the vote[or rather..keep the public servants..honest]..but there is much more here

but by..monday [at the latest]..rest assured..you will know

Dear Bibbie,

The following website may help:

http://www.fairwork.gov.au/Pages/default.aspx

You may also try Googling -
"NSW Award Rates."

<Can you please advise where I can find a website which shows the male and female rates – if they exist – in various Awards>

There is NO difference. It is illegal.

However where apples are compared with oranges it is always possible to 'prove' anything. For instance, male workers typically work more overtime and their take home pay may be higher. Although overtime is being cut out of many workplace agreements, which is a very sad day for workers and buries Australia's world renowned 8/8/8 day.

http://www.8hourday.org.au/images/monument.asp?URL=../news_archive.asp

Also, feminists like Julia Whatshername, the one who carried a long knife and used it, decreed that some occupations that had more women workers should have their pay increased. She did not see equity being delivered by the free market. For some occupations she might have been right, but she was blind to the occupations where the majority of working poor were men.

However, now that there are very well paid and comfortable sinecures for those educated middle class feminists, such as in the Office of Women with Status, there will be constant beavering away to show inequality. They have the wordsmiths and nags to do that full time.

All jolly good reasons for workers to put the rubbish out in Canberra tomorrow.

Dear Bibbie,

I trust that the website that I gave you earlier will
be of some help in your reasearching this issue.
I've since come across two more links that may provide
you with further insights into this topic:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/money/money-matters/women-miss-out-on-165-a-week-thanks-to-gender-pay-gap/story-friOctkz-1226687163943

And -

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/gender-pay-gap-still-a-disgrace-20130104-2c8o6.html

Good Luck.

A foxy answer.

However the OP's question was hopefully directed at establishing if any Award preferences men over women as far as pay and conditions are concerned.

That is, do all Awards treat men and women equally. The honest and ONLY answer is an emphatic YES!

Instead, the OP is being referred to the very flawed apples and oranges 'comparisons' of the usual suspects whose careers depend on claiming that women are victims who are somehow being discriminated against by society.

What about the facts though?

It is only to be expected that a generalist graduate for example who likely majored in gender studies is likely to limit herself to the Public Service. You have to skill yourself for the work that pays, if pay is your goal.

Likewise where an employee is prepared to do the hard yards and stay with a job and employer to complete, become familiar with and be judged for the full range of activities associated with the work will be paid accordingly.

If women want to even the pay there is an abundance of choice in the trades and jolly good pay too. Likewise, even after all sorts of affirmative action targets and incentives, few women are prepared to do engineering or IT as examples. Then again, none seem interested in plumbing.

Pay is linked to what the market wants, skills shortfalls and as well, work that is dangerous, dirty and disgusting must pay a premium to get and keep workers. Few women might volunteer to be the house mouse on a drilling rig for instance, yet that pays very well and for no skills, only the willingness to always turn up, take some responsibility and get along with people.

Dear Bibbie,

The evidence is crystal clear and there are plenty of websites
to choose from regarding the issue of the gap in pay between males and
females in this country.

The following link gives a good insight in that it gives a breakdown
by the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) by professions:

http://www.wgea.gov.au/sites/default/files/2013-02-Gender%20pay%20gap%statistics.pdf

cont'd ...

My apologies for the previous typo.
Here's the correct link:

http://www.wgea.gov.au/sites/default/files/2013-02-Gender%20pay%20gap%20statistics.pdf

Very foxy in still not answering the question. Nor does that reply address the criticisms I have made earlier, viz, apples and oranges.

All employment Awards MUST treat men and women equally.

Nothing simpler than that.

"The Sex Discrimination Act makes it against the law to treat you unfairly because of your: sex; marital status; family responsibilities; because you are pregnant or might become pregnant; or because you are breastfeeding.

The Sex Discrimination Act also makes sexual harassment against the law."

and

"What does the Sex Discrimination Act do?

The Sex Discrimination Act aims to ensure that women and men are treated equally and have the same opportunities.

The Act protects you against discrimination in many areas of public life, including:

.. employment – getting a job, terms and conditions of a job, training, promotion, being dismissed

.. education – enrolling or studying in a course at a private or public school, college or university

.. accommodation – renting or buying a house or unit getting or using services – such as banking and insurance services, services provided by government departments, transport or telecommunication services, professional services like those provided by lawyers, doctors or tradespeople, services provided by restaurants, shops or entertainment venues."

Australian Human Rights Commission
www.humanrights.gov.au

OTB,

My rules on this forum are simple and few.
I don't argue with, or respond to, certain posters.
You're one of them.

Foxy,
That's one of my rules too.
Welcome back, by the way :)

I think we are all aware of the obvious differences in pay in some work areas.
We still have a long way to go to achieve equality for women in a few other areas too...

Suseonline, "I think we are all aware of the obvious differences in pay in some work areas"

Come off the grass, if there was any difference in Award pay and conditions the unions and Ms Elizabeth Broderick the Sex Discrimination Commissioner would be onto it like fat kids with a packet of Smarties.

What you are both arguing for is equality of outcomes not equality of opportunity and pays which already exist. Equal pay and entitlements have existed for many long years.

Perhaps you and Foxy can give Ms Broderick and the unions advice on an Award that breaches the Sex Discrimination legislation? Come on, give the specific example. It would be front page news and the feminists' screams would be more strident and deafening than the engines at the start of a Le Mans F1 championship.

Dear Suse,

Thanks for the welcome back.
And as far as the gender pay gap differences -
they're all displayed on the WGEA websites, which are
taken from the ABS data. The links I've provided
give a breakdown by professions.

See you on another thread.

cont'd ...

It pays to have rules of your own on this forum.

You've also probably discovered, as I have,
to not argue with idiots. They'll drag you down to their
level and beat you with experience. ;-)

Again, that reply is very Foxy.

But still no example of an Award that breaches the Sex Discrimination Act.

That is because if there ever was an instance, Ms Elizabeth Broderick the Sex Discrimination Commissioner and unions would be onto it like fat kids with a packet of Smarties.